From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #175 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/175 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 175 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Unsubscirbe Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) [B7L] Re: Back from the conference Re: [B7L] Interesting food Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168] Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) [B7L] Re: Traves [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Re: [B7L] the final moments of dr plaxton Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Re: [B7L] crew Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond [B7L] Traves Volcano [Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))] [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals] [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes: kasabi's army Fwd: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Re: [B7L] Back from the conference Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size Re: [B7L] Back from the conference Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] crew Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Re: [B7L] Animals Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:49:08 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <003401bfdecd$a9ff3540$b2ee72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: >BTW, I'd rank the three mentioned Sarcophagus - Animals - Ultraworld. >Animals is just more *entertaining* (sometimes accidentally-on-purpose, like >Avon's near-slip when Charging To the Rescue. One of my many favourite Avon >moments, that). You mean you rank that slip higher than his gorgeous smile at the end of Ultraworld? Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:57:21 +0100 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Message-ID: <006e01bfdedc$f072f3e0$b9e407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ariana, aren't congratulations in order for your story 'A New Moon Over > Bajor' winning kudos in the recent ASC (alt.startrek.creative) awards? Blimey! I didn't even notice! I haven't looked at ASC for ages; I knew ANMOB was nominated, but then I forgot all about it. Must rush over there and see if it's too late to write an acceptance speech... :) Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:05:09 +0100 From: "Ariana" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic? Message-ID: <006f01bfdedc$f17f81e0$b9e407c3@ariana> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kathryn Andersen > I don't think anyone would mind, though not everyone would read it. > (I satisfied my curiosity about the new Randall & Hopkirk earlier this > year, and a crossover with it doesn't appeal to *me*. Well, this story certainly won't make any new converts, as it's a bit crap. No award-winning "New Moon"-style venture this. :) I think I'll just put it on my Web site and hope that people will drop by. Ariana http://www.alpha.ndirect.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:39:05 +0200 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: In message <20000625112645.14663.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton writes >It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem to have taken much interest >in the back-stories, however. An interesting comment, since this is one episode script that counts as fanfic. Tanith Lee was already a big fan of the series when she was asked to write a script for it. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:57:16 EDT From: RCalla6725@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Unsubscirbe Message-ID: <17.75b8c8e.2687be1c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:33:59 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size Message-ID: <000001bfe072$d482d1e0$3625073e@leanet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Helen, > >>>I think the Liberator was *supposed* to have enough people that one >>>person could just stand there and press the button. 5-6 people do not >>>make a full complement for a ship that size. > >I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you. The Liberator was built by the >System, and was supposed to be crewed by Altas. <> >Murray And I'm with Helen. There are just to many corridors etc for the ship to only need to carry five people. Something more like Scorpio would have done for five people. Heck, look at the size of pursuit ships, they took three. It was just an impression I always had, that the ship was run bang on the minimum crew. Maybe the extra passengers were not needed to "fly" the ship, but carry out other roles. It might even have served as a cruise ship, it might have been equipped for planetary assault, but there appeared to be tons of space, and you don't transport all that extra air for nothing. Gnog ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:32:55 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)] Message-ID: <002601bfdedc$2fb00760$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote: > (I keep watching Mission for Destiny trying to understand the cult of > Levett, but can't quite get it). I liked her because she obviously had brains and wasn't terribly pretty. So she and I have one thing in common. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:30:47 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <002501bfdedc$2edefbc0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marian wrote: >I love the way he tricks Mori when he > so innocently starts giving instructions to Zen and when he's shot he > suffers so beautifully. (Sorry, Neil, I couldn't resist.) Yes you bloody well could. You just didn't bother. I thought Volcano was pretty crap, mainly because it was written by Allan Prior. Sarcophagus, OTOH, is the top bollocks. Neil (who still rates Dawn of the Gods as all-time worst episode, worse even than Animals) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:04:44 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000625210444.53979.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: Marian asked: Um, yes. Though *not* above the eyelash shots. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:28:41 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000625212841.38247.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Neil wrote: That's what I like to see, reasoned argument. Volcano's not *too* bad, but the guests are pretty dire and the start of the private squabble with the President makes the heart leap down a fair bit. Going back to my "there ate good things in every episode" ... yes, there is, truly, but you simply don't appreciate it the way Julia and I do. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:51:34 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Back from the conference Message-ID: <200006251851_MC2-AA10-1552@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Una reported on her distinguished academic performance: >I was even more chuffed when Henry Jenkins ('Textual >Poachers' guy) turned up specially to hear it! Wow! >As a result of the paper, I also made contact with some >academics working on TVSF in the UK, and one of them > invited me to give a paper at a panel he's doing on 'The > Creations of Terry Nation'. Hurrah! >Can I thank everyone again for contributing to the study, >and then debating the results with me? Don't mind us, we'll just bask in reflected fame and glory. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:53:24 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Interesting food Message-ID: <200006251853_MC2-AA10-1560@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Neil retorted: >No, and given my intense loathing of marmite I am unlikely to. >Besides, the purity of chocolate cake is too precious to be violated. Maybe it's just the combination you need to get hooked on marmite. Joanne, the happy event has now taken place; Steve rang earlier today to announce he'd managed to find two of the videos of Chris Boucher's Star Cops for me. Only one to go! Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:53:30 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168] Message-ID: <200006251853_MC2-AA10-1562@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fiona explained: > Traves (assuming the noun is declined as third-gender >regular, eg: canis, canes [that's "dog" for those of you > who didn't have to take Latin at school]) At last! At last! Someone who can decline correctly! I've been trying to sell this plural for years (though my analogy was "gravis"). Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:54:29 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <20000625225429.65093.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Marian de Haan" >Sally asked: > > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't >like?) >Death Watch. I like the scene with the TV presenter, but I yawn through >the >rest. That should be shudder through, really. You know why. Regards Joanne (not a good subject to start the week with, when the weekend was depressing...) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:06:37 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Traves Message-ID: <20000625230637.31014.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> >At last! At last! Someone who can decline correctly! I've been trying to >sell this plural for years (though my analogy was "gravis"). Urk. That's all I need - a vision of either Travis as a telekinetic woodlouse. "Frontios" shall have to be removed from memory, even if it does have George from "Drop the Dead Donkey" in it. Regards Joanne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:10:17 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Message-ID: <002701bfdf28$d9926880$9cc326cb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All You may have discussed this before, but Ive been thinking recently (it does happen occasionally )what happened to blake before the final episode and what might have happened afterward if Avon hadnt airated his vest.??? My worry/thoughts where this. Blake had taken to recruting ruffians, murderers and possibly rapists and the like, what would this have meant to the resistance movement?? He couldnt expect that these people would behave themselves just because he said so.. He couldnt control the liberator crew, and they were made of fairly decent people, even Avon. Would Blakes new rebellion have been better/worse than the federation. He knew who these people are, and what they did. We know this too after he's spoken to Arlen and says something along the lines of ".......after all the killing you've done". Is he so desperate that he will take anyone?? I dont think this would have been good if it had continued. I think perhaps it was a good thing that Blake was stopped when he was. Dont get me wrong. I like Blake. But what could have happened from here I wonder, if he wasnt killed. Any thoughts?? Min. xxx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:37:43 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: "Una McCormack" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons (OK, it's mostly about Jarriere) Message-ID: <002501bfdf28$d7a40600$9cc326cb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una wrote that Minnie wrote that Harriet wrote: >> >Somebody round here (could it have been Betty?) once had the rather >> >wonderful idea of putting DS9's Garak on the Liberator. Whoever it was, >> >get on and write the story... >> >> God thats scary. I was wondering if anyone had thought of this. :) >> Shall I joint the queue to read this. > >Yes, it's Betty. Definitely join the queue! And if we all chant in chorus, >she might go and write it! > Oh this promises to be really quite interesting!! . Definitely in front of the queue for this one. I think Garak would be terribly amused by the trouble they get themselves into. Min. xxx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:40:44 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Roger the Shrubber" , "blake's seven" Subject: Re: [B7L] the final moments of dr plaxton Message-ID: <000401bfdf34$7374ef80$af1086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger the Shrubber To: blake's seven Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: [B7L] the final moments of dr plaxton > It felt a bit like the Nikita series - they always have the target make > some kind of threatening move so that Nikita is justified in pulling the > trigger, again a rationale for the viewer "Well she HAD to ...", whereas in > the movie Bridget just blew them away like a cold-hearted bitch. > I'm reminded of an anecdote I heard shortly before the "Tank Girl" movie came out, in an interview with Tank Girl's creator. He said that the Hollywood brass had had real trouble with the character as written, and wanted to put in some kind of speech/flashback to the effect that she was a violent psychotic because she'd been abused as a child. The creator's reacton was to say "No, she's a violent psychotic cos she's *mental,* what part of this don't you understand?" Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:43:42 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "Marian de Haan" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <000501bfdf34$745febc0$af1086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Marian de Haan To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) > Sally asked: > > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't > like?) I haven't watched Powerplay or Traitor in years, not because I don't like them but because I just can't be bothered. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:11:38 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: , "Ika" Subject: Re: [B7L] crew Message-ID: <000801bfdf34$76ab6260$af1086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Ika To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] crew > In the end I'm going to have to go for Major Thania (Trial) - the only character Really?!? I mean, she's a babe and all, but she's *such* an incredible ditz. Mind you, that could make for some funny situations. "What do you mean, you let this horde of evil mercenaries on board Liberator?" "Well, they told me they were innocent travelling salesmen, and I believed them, naturally." Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:45:14 +0100 From: "Nyder" To: "rita d'orac" , Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <000601bfdf34$75327e00$af1086d4@stx.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: rita d'orac To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) > >Sally asked: > > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't > >like?) > > "Voice From The Past" is my valium episode - it's the only one I don't bother to re-watch, as I found myself unable to concentrate on it after Blake persuades Vila to teleport him down to the asteroid. It was ok up to that point... > rita d'orac I don't rewatch it either, but not cos it puts me to sleep. It's because after the first five minutes the experience of watching it becomes agonisingly painful. Fiona Fiona Moore http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:15:17 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Message-ID: <20000626081517.61482.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Minnie wrote: And pray what was so new about that? His original crew were (lining up the exhibits) one guerilla (aka to the Powers that Be 'terrorist') with a marked enthusiasm for 'comanions for her death', one smuggler with extremely shady connections, one large-scale embezzler, one murderer, and one incorrigible theif. And with this distinctly non-respectable lot, he commits mayhem on quite an impressive scale (Blake's fundamental attitude to law and order is - errr - interesting.) Yes, he takes Arlen knowing she's killed in the course of her supposed dissident/terrorist activities, but then so has he, as part of the Liberator crew (few of whom had clean hands) and afterwards. He's always been somewhat detached towards killing when it's necessary; he's now grimmer and even more dispassionate, but there's no evidence he recruited real scum (if you think there is, please let me know where.) From my reading of 'Blake', it's fairly clear that Blake and Deva choose their targets from the information Deva collects, and therefore would weed out anyone beyond the pale as not to be followed up. Blake then tests them - a further (if extremely dangerous) weeding out. 'Tis fairly likely that what are then left are for the most part no better or worse - if probably not as pretty - as the Scorpio crew (of course, as Soolin points out, *they're* hardly respectable ...) The *only* people we see that Blake has recuited (i e tested and accepted) are Deva and Arlen, and he tested - and passed - Tarrant (then let him get away, silly clot). Killers all maybe (though I don’t think we actually *saw* Tarrant murder a guard in Gold, he shot to kill as I recall but might have missed), but not exactly ruffians and as for rapists (where did that come from?), psychos or anything seriously evil ... no. No proof, and in the absence of proof, I don't see any reason to believe it. His integrity was always battered round the edges - he had no choice there - but he still had it at the end. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:13:31 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Traves Message-ID: <20000626091331.72987.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Fiona wrote: Harriet answered: Well don't look at *me* to change my ways ... having learned all my Latin from Asterix, I'm too lazy to change now. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:58:28 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Volcano [Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))] Message-ID: <200006260658_MC2-AA10-2EE0@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Marian said: >Maybe I should start a campaign for the appreciation of Volcano. After Tom Baskerville (two-and-a-half-year-old son of Ellie and Robert) made me watch about two hours of Ivor the Engine the other day, we came up with an idea for a crossover, in which the pacifists of Obsidian (aside: Betty, you can get that into the Garak story) are living in the Welsh dragons' gas-fired volcano and cause the blow-up by overloading their meter with half crowns. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:58:45 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes: was: Animals] Message-ID: <200006260658_MC2-AA10-2EE6@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alison wrote: >I think Vila is part of the same tradition as Lurkio, >going back to (plucks name out of air, probably >wrongly) Plotinus? Some bloody Roman anyway. >The lower class/slave who lurks in the background > of the big events, giving a humerous commentary, >chasing women and getting pissed - with the strong >implication that he's the only one who is *not* being stupid. I think you mean Plautus? The only Plotinus I know being a philosopher. Anyway, Plautus was reworking Greek New Comedy (the "young lovers eventually win parental approval with help of cunning slave" sort of thing, as opposed to Old Comedy, which is much more surreal and full of political satire), so it goes back further than that, late fourth century BC at least. Famous exponent being Menander - most of his work lost, but I do remember the sole fragment of one act: "Is it true that your young master is living with the guitar girl Habrotenon?" I can't swear to the guitar girl's name being exactly that, but for some reason the line has always stuck in my mind. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:59:54 +0100 From: Alison Page To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [Off-topic] Greco-Roman comedy [was Re: [B7L]lost episodes: Message-ID: <21B0197931E1D211A26E0008C79F6C4AB0C656@BRAMLEY> Content-Type: text/plain I hope the line spacing is readable in this. And I do claim it is *not* off-topic :-) Me >Plotinus? Some bloody Roman anyway. Harriet > I think you mean Plautus? That's the fellow! Thanks The reason I mention him is that - again I'm wading into territory where my knowledge is rather hazy - wasn't the film with Phil Silvers 'A funny thing happened on the way to the coliseum', based on a play by Plautus? And then wasn't 'Up Pompeii' somewhat loosely based on that film? I always find it rather poignant that comedies in highly hierarchical societies subvert the hierarchy, and sympathise with the underdog. While in real life slaves and deltas and thieves are the scummest of the scum, and afforded no sympathy at all. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:45:13 +1000 From: "Roger the Shrubber" To: "blake's seven" Subject: kasabi's army Message-Id: <200006261434.AAA19300@vasquez.zip.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ika wrote If Kasabi hadn't died, though, she would have sorted them out and won >the revolution in three episodes flat **** While Kasabi was made of the right stuff, her lame rabble of rebels were a complete joke. The two fools in the Forbidden zone come to mind, not to mention the entire platoon who froze when the mutoids started firing. I think Kasabi needed to find a fresh source of recruits. And then train them properly. darren r A sense of superiority to the sufferer is a component of the human experience of compassion. ----------------------------------------- Life, liberty and the pursuit of property are the fundamental natural rights and the social contract is made to protect these rights. ----------------------------------------- Panic Disorder http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:36:57 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Fwd: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Message-ID: <71.45345b7.2688eeb9@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_71.45345b7.2688eeb9_boundary" --part1_71.45345b7.2688eeb9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Sally. Let's try sending it to the list instead of just to you Trish grumbling about dogs that insist upon throwing up and distracting one from more important things in life... --part1_71.45345b7.2688eeb9_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: B7Morrigan@aol.com Full-name: B7 Morrigan Message-ID: <6.7d77a67.2688ee65@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:35:33 EDT Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond To: smanton@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Sally wrote: No proof, and in the > absence of proof, I don't see any reason to believe it. His integrity was > always battered round the edges - he had no choice there - but he still had > it at the end. > I'd quite agree that Blake was fairly selective within the pool from which he drew. As for whether he still had it at the end, I suppose that depends on which PGP you've read lately Trish "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " --part1_71.45345b7.2688eeb9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:19:11 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Back from the conference Message-ID: <010d01bfdf9b$2e6725e0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Una McCormack > I just got back from delivering a paper on the Q study at a conference in > cultural studies in Birmingham. It's quite an important conference on the > circuit, so I was fairly chuffed to get the paper accepted. I was even more > chuffed when Henry Jenkins ('Textual Poachers' guy) turned up specially to > hear it! Nice one! > As a result of the paper, I also made contact with some academics working on > TVSF in the UK, and one of them invited me to give a paper at a panel he's > doing on 'The Creations of Terry Nation'. Woo hoo! I'm going to argue that > B7 was a Chris Boucher creation rather than a Terry Nation one, and I throw > that one over to you all for closer scrutiny! It depends what you mean by creation. As far as I can gather, the original concept was all Nation's (all but the bits he pillaged from elsewhere, like Robin Hood and the Dirty Dozen and Huxley etc, which actually adds up to quite a lot of the original concept). Boucher refined and redefined it, not least through writing some of the most important episodes, but I wouldn't say he created the series as such. Depends on what you mean by 'creation', I s'pose... Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:46:30 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <010c01bfdf9b$2cb445c0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sally Manton > even than Animals)> > > Going back to my "there ate good things in every episode" ... yes, there is, > truly, but you simply don't appreciate it the way Julia and I do. If DotG featured Dayna and Cally doing a nude tango together I would still rate it as all-time worst episode. I'd just watch it a bit more often. Good moments do not automatically make for a good episode, any more than duff moments automatically make for a duff ep (which is just as well, because if they did then every ep would be a waste of space). Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:40:08 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Liberator crew size Message-ID: <010b01bfdf9b$2bc94980$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew Ellis > It was just an impression I always had, that the ship was run bang on the > minimum crew. Maybe the extra passengers were not needed to "fly" the ship, > but carry out other roles. It might even have served as a cruise ship, it > might have been equipped for planetary assault, but there appeared to be > tons of space, and you don't transport all that extra air for nothing. I think Judith's website, on the Essays page, contains my hypothesis that Liberator was actually a mining vessel. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:08:22 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Back from the conference Message-ID: <2b.78d0dbf.2688f616@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > As a result of the paper, I also made contact with some academics working > on > > TVSF in the UK, and one of them invited me to give a paper at a panel he's > > doing on 'The Creations of Terry Nation'. Woo hoo! I'm going to argue that > > B7 was a Chris Boucher creation rather than a Terry Nation one, and I > throw > > that one over to you all for closer scrutiny! > Neil wrote: > It depends what you mean by creation. As far as I can gather, the original > concept was all Nation's (all but the bits he pillaged from elsewhere, like > Robin Hood and the Dirty Dozen and Huxley etc, which actually adds up to > quite a lot of the original concept). Boucher refined and redefined it, not > least through writing some of the most important episodes, but I wouldn't > say he created the series as such. > One might argue that Terry Nation gave birth to the series and certainly created its foundation, series A, while Chris Boucher nutured and raised the series from that starting point and developed it within the context of Nation's vision. Whether or not Nation could have done so without Boucher could probably be argued, however Boucher imprinted his vision onto B7 and I think that B7 as it evolved was at least as much due to Boucher as to Nation. Trish "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Una McCormack , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000626181558.5967.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm back! --- Una McCormack wrote: > Sally wrote: > > > Jessica asked: > > if I'm missing > something > > but I really enjoyed that episode.> > > > > I liked quite a lot about it (it's one of the best > episodes - as drama - > in > > series 3, IMO) though it just doesn't quite feel > B7-ish to me. > > That's interesting. 'Sarcophagus' always feels > *especially* B7 to me, > because it's so character focused and, more > importantly, it's an ensemble > piece. That's what I love about it. And it's nice to see the crew doing something introspective for a change-- give the characters time to develop, which we don't get that much of. That's also why I like RoD--well, one of the reasons... Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] crew Message-ID: <20000626182329.7435.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In order: Docholli Kerril (why hasn't anyone else nominated her?) Dayna's sister Travis Kara Ensor (come on, he could have made it...) Neebrox Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Julia Jones , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000626183510.27156.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Julia Jones wrote: > In message <20000625112645.14663.qmail@hotmail.com>, > Sally Manton > writes > >It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem > to have taken much interest > >in the back-stories, however. > > An interesting comment, since this is one episode > script that counts as > fanfic. Tanith Lee was already a big fan of the > series when she was > asked to write a script for it. It shows, I think-- she'd obviously given a lot of thought to the characters when she wrote it. It was actually B7 that introduced me to Tanith Lee-- from "Sarcophagus" it was only a short step to "Red As Blood" and worse... Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Marian de Haan , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Valium episodes (was Animals) Message-ID: <20000626183757.27791.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Marian de Haan wrote: > Sally asked: > > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from > just plain ones we don't > like?) > > Death Watch. I like the scene with the TV > presenter, but I yawn through the > rest. Duel. I'm sorry, but Steven Greif just doesn't do it for me. Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:41:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Marian de Haan , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals) Message-ID: <20000626184104.19423.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Marian de Haan wrote: > > Wendy S. Penberriss wrote: > >The bit where they're taunting Shrinker I liked for > showing up > >another difference between Cally and the rest of > the > >crew-- you'd think, having been tortured herself, > >she'd be even less lenient with him than the > others. > > The Cally of S1 would have executed him herself. > Cally's moral stance here > is one of the things that makes me dislike the > episode. I think it just shows that Auronar have different morals than humans. Who's to say she would have executed him in S1? Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:43:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Minnie , Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond Message-ID: <20000626184329.10300.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Minnie wrote: > Hi All > > You may have discussed this before, but Ive been > thinking recently (it does > happen occasionally )what happened to blake > before the final episode and > what might have happened afterward if Avon hadnt > airated his vest.??? > > My worry/thoughts where this. Blake had taken to > recruting ruffians, > murderers and possibly rapists and the like, what > would this have meant to > the resistance movement?? I think Blake was totally crazy by that point and, whatever he thought, was too unstable to mobilize a viable resistance, so I don't think it would have made a difference to the resistance as a whole. Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" To: Sally Manton , Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals)) Message-ID: <20000626185000.21328.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sally Manton wrote: > Fiona wrote: > But it is the *best* of the taken-over-by-aliens > stories (I do love The Web, > truly, Judith, but *not* for Cally's part in it :-) Certainly it's the one where the most hinges on Cally being taken over by aliens-- elsewhere it's usually just a catalyst or a plot twist, not as important as in Sarcophagus. > Had Sarcophagus come > first, of course, it would have had a much greater > impact. True. > It is a pity the writer of Sarcophagus doesn't seem > to have taken much > interest in the back-stories, however. I think she pretty much *invented* the backstories myself. Wendy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 26 20:15:11 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals Message-Id: <200006261920.UAA32116@ns4.uk2net.com> > Sally wrote: > > > Do we *all* have Valium episodes (as apart from just plain ones we don't > > like?) I recall Betty saying that a possible convert fell asleep during > TWB > > on her ... Una: > > TWB is pretty slow... Umm, probably 'Pressure Point'. They all run across > the grass, in turn. They all go down the blue corridor. Then the red > corridor. Then the white corridor. It's quite possible we see them coming > back, but I've usually given up by then. > I'm sure I've said this before, but I will keep saying it until I get my way (hey, it worked for Blake) - Servalan wears a hat in Pressure Point. Therefore, it is a brilliant episode. The logic of this is surely unassailable. Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:47:39 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?) Message-ID: <013f01bfdfa7$9593ff20$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alison Page > I always find it rather poignant that comedies in highly hierarchical > societies subvert the hierarchy, and sympathise with the underdog. While in > real life slaves and deltas and thieves are the scummest of the scum, and > afforded no sympathy at all. I think, in hierarchy-subversion comedy, the sympathetically-portrayed underdog serves the purposes of the ruling class. He can expose the contradictions of the ruling class' ideology without actually threatening that ideology. He is not portrayed as an enemy of the status quo, rather an observer, and ince his observations come from the bottom of the ladder, they can be discounted as any advocation of meaningful change. Basically, he allows those at the top to laugh at themselves in safety, and then go home and carry on doing everything they've been laughing at all evening. A close relative of this observing underdog is the 'cheeky cockney' type, from which the character of Vila is derived. He is usually justified in terms of providing comic relief, but this glosses over the essential nature of the Cheeky Cockney's cheeky nature. His (or her) humour in adversity is not there to provide relief in adversity, it is an essential survival trait for someone to whom adversity is the norm. The Cheeky Cockney, such as Vila, is a perversion of this need, created by and for those who are unaccustomed to such extremes of adversity. They need the Vilas to justify their perpetuation of the dire situations they themselves have created. Vila, like Lurkio, reasserts the validity of the status quo, by pulling back from the full implications of its horrific entirety. Amazing what you think of in the shower... Neil -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #175 **************************************