From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #194 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/194 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 194 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette [B7L] Re: APE [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. [B7L] After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond) [B7L] Jarvik joins the crew (from digest 183) [B7L] Garak meets Avon [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #185 [B7L] Smuggling Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond) Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. Re: [B7L] Re: APE Re: [B7L] Jarvik joins the crew [B7L] After the revolution 4/7/xx (sorry 7/4/xx) Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. Re: [B7L] Ansible mention [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette [B7L] Jenna Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:46:25 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <20000707234625.23533.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Marian wrote: As I've said before, the battle might have been fun, but Avon would have won. He's got the numbers on his side (Vila, Cally *and* Dayna). Mind you (taking this a little further) suppose it *had* been Jan Chappell who deicded to leave instead of Sally Knyvette. Given that, they wouldn't have needed a *new* hot-shot pilot, but assuming that the makes still wanted Steven Pacey ... a gunfighter might have been useful addition, no? So instead of Del, we get *Deeta* (whom I like a *lot*, but would hate to have to put up with that name and that hairdo on a weekly basis.) Somehow, I think both Avon and Vila would have taken to the older brother rather better than the younger (I do think Avon might almost have liked him) and the crew dynamics - Jenna, Avon, Vila, Dayna and Deeta - *would* have been quite interesting. Then at the end of 3rd series, Sally follows Jan and they need a new pilot ... and Soolin taking Del Tarrant's place in 'Blake' does boggle the mind a little. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:33:23 -0700 From: mistral@ptinet.net To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <396668C2.AAEAF8@ptinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally wrote: > Then at the end of 3rd series, Sally follows Jan and they need a new pilot > ... and Soolin taking Del Tarrant's place in 'Blake' does boggle the mind a > little. Like the whole idea, but that bit especially. Mistral -- "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:15:12 EDT From: JEB31538@cs.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: APE Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot who posted the first part. Harriet?? > In June, we were told about a publication called APE which included a B7 > graphic story by Loulou Harris and might be available via WHSmith. Smith > and other places I tried looked blank, and the notice did say something > about getting copies by mail order when the retailers started returning > them. Are there any more details on this? Una replied. No, I've not had any success either. Their website is: http://www.apemag.demon.co.uk/home.htm, and there is an email address for people who want issues. I went to the website and Emailed them and received no reply so far. Did ANYONE ever get a copy of this? Joyce Bowen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:26:30 EDT From: JEB31538@cs.com To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Visiting Judith Proctor's website, http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/ I cannot find a direct link to Mark Thompson's site (SOLDIERS OF LOVE and THE ACTOR SPEAKS). That's probably okay as Judith sells everything that he sells, I believe. However, the Thompson website is http://www.ghostlands.demon.co.uk/ The prices for THE ACTOR SPEAKS you need to check on both Judith's site and Horizon's site to compare them. http://www.jorizon.org.uk/ The prices on Judith's site are UK 10 pounds and USA 19 dollars cash. Judith's website says Liberatored (Sheelagh Wells's audio tape) is out of print now. I don't know if that's an error or not. The last I heard both Blake's Back and Liberatored were NOW currently in stock for a brief time. The tapes are $15 for Americans. I urge everyone who doesn't have them to order them now--either through Judith's website or directly from Sheelagh. You might have to Email Judith to find out if the comment on Liberatored is true or not. I think she just forgot to remove the notation. I hope that's the case. If not, then the reprint runs are really LIMITED. Sheelagh Wells will take dollars checks. So for her you can send cash or checks. Sheelagh J. Wells, 20A New Road, Brentford, Middlesex TW8 ONX, UK. It is definite that Blake will be the next model and is in progress right now. Do be sure to visit Judith's website and specifically Email her which models you want to buy NEXT after Avon and Blake. It's expensive, but let's face it---after over 20 years, don't we deserve to finally have some models? Support this project. ZENITH--If I have any criticism, it's that I would have preferred the episode pictures for "Trial" to have been bigger. I know this would have meant the zine was a few pages longer, but it would have been worth it. I love this series of photos/telepics. I would have liked them to have been the size of the ones they used for "Star One," at least. I really do urge everyone to support this project, and, also, to start Emailing Andy with ideas for the next ZENITH. Andy's Email is andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:26:51 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond) Message-ID: <20000707.222655.-418077.1.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:34:30 PDT "Sally Manton" writes: > > I doubt that the lower grades of worlds like Albian (who along with > the rest > of the population were being ground into *total* impoverishment - > and guess > who normally starve first) would quite see it that way If I remember right (big if), there are supposed to be levels on this kind of thing. People just barely surviving are supposed to be unlikely revolutionaries only so long as they feel change threatens their survival more than the status quo (I know, who does these studies? What do they consider a control group?). OTOH, expectations also play a part. Especially if information (like about successful rebels or other forms of government) is getting out. Then there's people at a minimum survival level who see themselves as being _cheated_ out of a better life. Then there's the factor of control (much of 19th century factory life depended on control issues and how successfully workers could be made to feel powerless against the factories they worked for. This often meant in your face abuse at the work site [a critical miscalculation of the Powers That Be during the New York news boys strike - overlooking how much control these boys were used to having over their lives as compared to the average factory worker. They were more aware of surviving on their own skills and weren't used to the same kind of dayly intimidation (probably different kinds of intimidation, sure, but not the kind that favored caving easily to pressure as a long term survival tactic)]). Oh, and let's not forget people who feel they ought to have power (like Avon and Carnell) but don't - and can cause trouble (remember the French Revolution?). But, hey, I just saw a 4th of July pageant with a three year old (representing American colonists) standing up to the five year old British and saying "I'm opwessed!" Anyone can do it, they just need to be properly motivated. Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:19:24 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Jarvik joins the crew (from digest 183) Message-ID: <3966ABCD.4B0C@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > How about Servalan only stunning Jarvik, rather than killing him, and Jarvik > joining the crew, set on overthrowing a Federation regime so cold, heartless > and dependant on technology ? A three way struggle for control ? > How about, a quick one-way trip out of the airlock. Technocrat Avon might be involved, but mostly, I don't think Cally and Dayna would have much tolernace with a Ben Steed (is it coincidence his initials are B.S.?) macho man. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:46:21 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Garak meets Avon Message-ID: <3966B21E.568F@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As for torture: wasn't Garak's stare supposed to be his most important > interrogation tool? Just get him into a staring match with Avon. And I'd > love to read the ensuing exchange of insults. > > Jacqueline Avon> How often does your species have to blink, did you say? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:59:16 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #185 Message-ID: <3966B525.499B@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Yes, there are ethnic stereotypes, but they don't exactly translate. I > realized once that the social equivalent of My Fair Lady in America would > be to present an African American woman in the same time period wanting > to learn to pass for white - and that casting the play to present that > would probably make it too offensive to present around here. Call it > different cultural landmines. > Actually, have you seen "Showboat"? It wasn't the main character, but a strong supporting role-- an apparently white woman had her career destroyed and her marriage invalidated (although her husband promised to stick with her) by the revelation that she was by legal definition black. Actually, in modern America, Henry Higgins would be tired of being seen as a complete nerd and getting beat up by thugs after he told them what part of L.A. they came from and what gang they belonged to based on their accents. So he would hire Eliza from the projects to teach him how to wear his jeans down low and kickbox his way to coolness. Our modern media equate any form of culture with negative stereotypes.... getting off my rant and onto Blake's 7, if Avon had ended up on a prison planet with Vila, Mr. High IQ might have wanted to take a few lessons on blending in inconspicuously after he got beat up a few times. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:16:50 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Smuggling Message-ID: <3966B6F6.2864@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ellynne wrote: > > > Jenna - We know she won't smuggle certain drugs and possibly other > > goods. > > We also know she had at least some dealings with the rebels, in the > form of Avalon. It is entirely possible, within the framework of > canon, to view Jenna as a completely "good guy" smuggler: running > supplies to the rebels and doing her bit to take down the Federation > even before she met Blake. I wouldn't necessarily go quite that far, > myself, but in terms of the discussion of Our Protagonists' > criminality being depicted as relatively sanatized and tame, I'd say > it's relevant that that possibility, at least, is left open. > Isn't that in "To Have and Have Not"? (A Humphrey Bogart film)-- as with "Casablanca", there's this suggestion that he's this criminal type, but then we find out his crime was basically trying to help people policitically by smuggling. I use a similiar thing in an original horror/SF story, where the narrator protaganist is a gun smuggler, but speaks at the start about his dual reasons; the extra money is useful, but his biggest motivation is having relatives in the region he's arming. Just to point out there are plenty of precendents for smugglers wearing white or grey hats. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:07:01 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Message-ID: <000501bfe8ab$3e2dbde0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Julia Jones > Quote from this month's Ansible: > Someone scrag Dave for that at the next con, please... If that's 'Dave' as in 'Langford' then he's allowed to get away with it. He can savage some of my favourite books and have me laughing in gratitude. Neil (remembering Langford's assault on Stephen Donaldson when he was book reviewer for White Dwarf) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:15:47 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. Message-ID: <002101bfe8ac$ad3c6aa0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: > ZENITH--If I have any criticism, it's that I would have preferred the > episode pictures for "Trial" to have been bigger. I know this would have > meant the zine was a few pages longer, but it would have been worth it. I > love this series of photos/telepics. > I would have liked them to have been the size of the ones they used for "Star > One," at least. I like the pics in the top right corner of page 47, one above the other but they look like one picture. Of a mini-skirted Avon staring down at Travis. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:53:57 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <002801bfe8ba$16475d40$7aed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To my speculating about a third season with Jenna, Neil replied: >And if they'd done it that way, then we'd have lost some of the classic 3rd Season episodes, like Rumours, unless Blake really turned out to be Anna Grant in disguise.< LOL but I disagree, it would have worked like a treat. Think of Sula inviting Blake to help with her coup. He does the negotiations with her so Avon doesn't meet her - and of course the name Sula doesn't mean anything to Avon. Then, at the moment of the coup, Avon accompanies Blake and comes face to face with Anna... This scenario would at least have spared us the irritating coincidence of Avon deciding to visit Servalan at the exact moment of Anna's coup. But it would not have had the opening scene of Avon suffering - [you were right Neil, I *can* resist ;-)] in that cell, so maybe it wasn't a good idea after all. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:10:54 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] After the revolution (was 'Blake' and beyond) Message-ID: <002d01bfe8bc$6e349a20$7aed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Ellynne wrote: >Oh, and let's not forget people who feel they ought to have power (like Avon and Carnell)< I don't think Avon wants any power except over his own life. It's servalan in Aftermath who mentions his desire for it, but I think she misreads him there. People are inclined to project their own sentiments and motivations on others; Servalan is power mad, so in her view everyone else must be also. Carnell may think himself already all powerfull, considering his profession and high opinion of himself. >But, hey, I just saw a 4th of July pageant with a three year old (representing American colonists) standing up to the five year old British and saying "I'm opwessed!" Anyone can do it, they just need to be properly motivated.< Or coached. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:00:48 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. Message-ID: <0a1001bfe8bc$90f4a0f0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil: > I like the pics in the top right corner of page 47, one above the other but > they look like one picture. Of a mini-skirted Avon staring down at Travis. Good lord, you're quite right. That looks brilliant. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:06:01 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: APE Message-ID: <0a1101bfe8bc$91442080$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joyce: > Una replied. > No, I've not had any success either. Their website is: > http://www.apemag.demon.co.uk/home.htm, and there is an email address for > people who want issues. > > I went to the website and Emailed them and received no reply so far. Did > ANYONE ever get a copy of this? Well, I emailed and got a reply straight away, and sent off a cheque for the first two issues, so hopefully it will arrive real soon now. Una ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:29:22 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Jarvik joins the crew Message-ID: <003201bfe8bf$00fde4e0$7aed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote re Jarvik: >How about, a quick one-way trip out of the airlock. Technocrat Avon might be involved, but mostly, I don't think Cally and Dayna would have much tolernace with a Ben Steed (is it coincidence his initials are B.S.?) macho man. And, since Jarvik would probably be a worse bully than even Tarrant, one may assume that Vila would be applauding the act - from a safe distance. :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:38:51 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: [B7L] After the revolution 4/7/xx (sorry 7/4/xx) Message-ID: <000b01bfe9e4$0c1b6340$8d49063e@leanet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just read an interesting e-mail about the fate of the 50 odd professional people who signed the US declaration of independence. Basically it sounds like they all died, or ended up bankrupt. But the Americans still think they are better of without us ? Anyway, these guys must have been a bit like Blake. Professional people, with a grudge, who took extreme actions and self sacrifice in order to start the revolutionary ball rolling. Once it was going, the ordinary people joined in. Any of our American friends care to take up the analogy, whilst they are still misty eyed from Tuesday. Gnog. ------------------------------ Date: Sat Jul 8 20:47:18 BST 2000 From: Ika To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-Id: <200007081952.UAA21217@smtp.uk2net.com> Marian wrote: > I think it's a pity that Sally Knyvette left because out from under Blake's > shadow, her character could have developed the way it should have been from > the start. Potentially, Jenna and Avon were well matched and it's a shame > so little was done with that. With Blake gone, they could have engaged in a > battle for command of the Liberator. > > Imagine at the end of Aftermath, Avon teleporting up to the Liberator with > Dayna and being confronted not by Tarrant, but by Jenna pointing a gun at > him: "Avon, what are you doing on *my* ship?" > That would have been absolutely *brilliant.* It would also have been nice for the relationship between Jenna and Avon to take centre stage so that we didn't have so much antler-clashing between two boys (not that I mind that!), but had a more layered and conflicted relationship between a man & a woman (the closest we get is Avon and Servalan, I guess). Somebody write this as fanfic, please. > Jenna would have insisted they kept up the search for Blake and I think > Cally would have backed her. That would have given S3 the needed direction > and they could still have had all the adventures of that season, as the > search for Blake would provide all the opportunity for them to encounter all > those nasty individuals and phenomenoms. (I'm saying this badly but what I > mean is that the writers wouldn't have had to go for things like > recklessness, scientific curiosity or plain stupidity to get the crew into > trouble.) I rather like the way there's not much effort to find Blake or fight the Federation in S3 - it makes a nice balance between the crusade of S1-2 and the Avon-slowly-going-mad-because-he's-internalized-Blake of S4, and in many ways makes the absence of Blake more marked: they just don't know what to do with themselves... But it does seem in character for Jenna to insist. Though maybe if she *did* come out from Blake's shadow she would realize she doesn't need him to do her dreaming for her (this is my personal canon btw) and can beat the Federation all on her own. (I think Sally Knyvette once said that if they'd given control of the Liberator to Jenna and Cally they'd have got to Servalan and won the war within a week...) Love, Ika ---------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using http://uk2.net UK's FREE Domains, FREE Dialup, FREE Webdesign, FREE email ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:06:05 +0200 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Message-ID: <$Jb1RWAtDuZ5EwTH@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <000501bfe8ab$3e2dbde0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner writes >If that's 'Dave' as in 'Langford' then he's allowed to get away with it. He >can savage some of my favourite books and have me laughing in gratitude. Yep, Dave as Langford, as in record holder for most fanzine Hugos - and as you say, capable of savaging my favourite books and still leaving me ROFL. Anyone who's interested in SF gossip should subscribe to Ansible, especially as it's available by email. The website's at http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/SF-Archives/Ansible/ The slash writers might be interested in one item mentioned in 155 and 156, about the perils of having a BDSM fiction website... -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:07:09 EDT From: B7Morrigan@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. Message-ID: <7c.7e442cc.2698f1fd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/8/00 5:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes: > Subj: Re: [B7L] Corrections/Additions on Zenith & Misc. > Date: 7/8/00 5:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk (Una McCormack) > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (b7) > > Neil: > > > I like the pics in the top right corner of page 47, one above the other > but > > they look like one picture. Of a mini-skirted Avon staring down at > Travis. > > Good lord, you're quite right. That looks brilliant. > > This is a tease so that we all must buy it, isn't it. Avon in a mini-skirt, hold on, I am getting the checkbook out now... Morrigan (aka Trish) "I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. " ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:47:43 GMT From: predatrix@ntlworld.com (Predatrix) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Message-ID: <397ea0e3.812449532@smtp.ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:24:14 +0200, you wrote: >Quote from this month's Ansible: > >J.K.ROWLING, as the whole world knows by now, received an OBE in the >Queen's birthday honours last month. (Also honoured was Josette Simon of >Shakespearean thespian fame and _Blake's Seven_ infamy.) > > >Someone scrag Dave for that at the next con, please... Right, he's next on the list after PTerry for that con-speech saying "I have been many bad things in my life, but never a Blake's Seven fan" Cheers, (...wondering if Chris Blenkarn has done _I've Got A Little List_ yet...) Pred'x ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:03:04 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette Message-ID: <20000708220304.38900.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ika wrote: Sorry - Jenna is my favourite female character, but I think that's just *very* wishful thinking on the actress's part. Jenna *is* bright, capable, and a great pilot - but very definitely a leaner. She and Cally are good at last minute rescues, but I can't see any gift for planning or leading in either of them (and you will notice how, in 3rd season when there *isn’t* anyone to give impetus to her aims, Cally turns into a drifter. It's not just the lack of plans for the rebellion - it's the lack of anything at all other than the general muddle-and-go-nowhere.) Furthermore, Jenna has little gift for inspiring trust or loyalty in her teammates (witness Bounty). I simply don't think she could lead a crew for very long before it fragmented and broke apart (especially since Avon - for all his less than endearing qualities - *does* have the ability (which he doesn't want!) of inspiring loyalty. I think it's easy to underestimate just how well Blake actually *did* in this dreadfully one-sided battle. When you consider just what resources Blake had (the ship, the computer and five less-than-wholehearted recruits), and what his *enemies* had (half the galaxy), he actually did a *brilliant* job just staying unsquashed by episode 3. I really can't see Jenna or *any* of the rest (except Avon) managing even a tenth as well (but then, I am biased). Even if Jenna remained with the ship after Star One, she wouldn’t command - Avon wouldn't *let* her on *his* ship (yes, he did, sort of, in Bounty, but Blake seems to have left her in charge, something *he* never did again). And if it came to a battle, as I said, it would end with Avon in command (something I think Blake knew - witness exactly who's word he wanted over Star One, and witness Jenna ceding command of the battle to Avon at that point.). Rather earlier than he was in the series, where the others had to push rather a *lot* ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:17:45 PDT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Jenna Message-ID: <20000708221745.28428.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Jurgen wrote: to be honest, I barely noticed her *or* Cally *or* Gan. One has one's priorities, you know ... Though one has to say it *is* the episode where she has to do the earnest, dramatic 'what's going on?" bit several times, (how *did* she get landed it with?) and I wince each time. Through the early fight scenes I think I *did* find her a bit more wooden than normal. OTOH one also has to say the cell bit is nice (my guess is that it's cold, *she* feels like cuddling up a bit, even if it's to Avon , but he's doing his best *un*-cuddly bit. ) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 00:27:53 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: b7 Subject: Re: [B7L] Ansible mention Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000709001726.00a67750@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:06 8-7-00, Julia Jones wrote: >http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/SF-Archives/Ansible/ >The slash writers might be interested in one item mentioned in 155 and >156, about the perils of having a BDSM fiction website... Oh dear, the horror of naked breasts. Fortunately there are plenty of brave officers willing to protect the world from such infamy. And I'm sure they didn't stare at that poster a second longer than was absolutely necessary for evidence gathering. So, when is breast feeding going to be banned as improper behavior? It would be the most liberating law in years. Just think of all those women who would no longer have to postpone getting a boob job for fear that the operation would make it impossible for them to feed their babies the natural way. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:37:31 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock Message-ID: <00f501bfe942$cdd27b60$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, the subject header says it all, really. I no longer have any copies of Pressure Point to sell, so if you were thinking of ordering one, I'm afraid you're too late. I have no plans to do another print run. Can I just thank everyone on this list who bought a copy (and hopefully enjoyed it), and of course a big thank you to Judith P for handling overseas sales on my behalf. Neil -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #194 **************************************