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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 65

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
	 Re: [B7L] complexity of character
	 [B7L] Episode Reviews
	 Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
	 Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
	 Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
	 Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
	 Re [B7L] The cold hard truth
	 Re: Re [B7L] The cold hard truth
	 Re: Re [B7L] The cold hard truth

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:44:22 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Pat P wrote:
> As priestess (in the place of Lindsey who ascended to a higher plane) at
> the Temple of the Golden Goddess Soolin, I hold myself extremely and
> personally insulted by your rude public criticism in throwing down the
> carp - er, crap.
>
> I challenge you to a duel to the depths:  *Choose your fish!*

Very well, I choose a Great White Shark.

> >Joanne wrote:
> ><smile> It's simply another example of how horribly misunderstood Neil
is,
> >right, Una? Maybe he does need the biggest fish after all.
>
> But I - *I* get the biggest fish!!! ':-O

Then you can have a Whale Shark, which is much much bigger than my Great
White.  Too bad mine can rip huge chunks out of anything and yours can only
ingest plankton.

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free number."

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:54:37 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] complexity of character
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Joanne wrote:

> >From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
> > >I think this is the same as (Harriet I hope you don't
> > >mind me taking your name in vain)
> >Isn't that Dorothy L. Sayers?
>
> <applause>
>
> Wimsey=Avon, but only because of the nose. And the aristocratic behaviour.
> And the hating things to remain unexplained.

No, no! Wimsey is what Vila would have been if he'd been born, er, the
second son of an aristocratic English family at the end of the 19th century.
All that playing the fool to hide a deeper agenda.


Una

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:17:50 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Pat said - 

>>it was pointed out that extraverts (who care about sharing relationships)
tend to short, friendly posts while introverts (who care about sharing
ideas) tend to long, logical essays. We ... express: 'just the facts, m'am'.
But people who are not logic based get their feelings hurt by 'blunt fact /
truth'. They want debates no more challenging (sic) than: me, too!<<

I think, Pat that you are conflating several different personality
characteristics here, and therefore over-simplifying the situation. 

I think it is possible to separate out two distinct ideas that you are
pushing together here. They are 'interested in ideas' (as opposed to
interested in feelings) and 'private and self contained' (as opposed to
extrovert). I think you feel these are very closely associated because you
feel them both yourself. However they are definitely independent variables.

A typical extrovert ideas person (e.g. my good self) is just as interested
in ideas as you are, and just as likely to subsume social convention to the
demands of logic (if I'm not careful). However I think the difference is
that extrovert ideas people tend to bring their ideas more out into the
open: the ideas 'live' when they are communicated, shared, and responded to
by others.

I think this can be a very positive thing. It means ones ideas are tempered
in the fire of public debate, uncomfortable as that can sometimes be. On the
other hand it can be a very negative thing. Servalan would be an example of
what happened when an extrovert thinker goes wrong: she has forgotten the
need to debate, she simply imposes her ideas on other people. This is the
temptation of the extrovert thinker, just as the worst aspects of Avon's
character 'Dr Plaxton', 'Who?' show the temptation of the introvert thinker
to become smug and lonely.

I suppose Avon is interesting because he combines some of the best and worst
aspects of the introverted thinker, but he is not in himself typical of all
thinking people.

Alison

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:32:13 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Pat / Neil:

> > But I - *I* get the biggest fish!!! ':-O
>
> Then you can have a Whale Shark, which is much much bigger than my Great
> White.  Too bad mine can rip huge chunks out of anything and yours can
only
> ingest plankton.

Then I shall have a team of piranhas. Swim, my pretties!


Una

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:45:25 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Pat P wrote:

> Since we determined the preponderance of one liner "me, too!" type
> responses on the OneList B7, it was pointed out that extraverts (who
> care about sharing relationships) tend to short, friendly posts while
> introverts (who care about sharing ideas) tend to long, logical essays.
> We tend not to clutter up the diamond beauty of our reasoning brilliance
> with polite pleasantries. Rather we express: 'just the facts, m'am'. But
> people who are not logic based get their feelings hurt by 'blunt fact /
> truth'. They want debates no more challenging (sic) than: me, too!

I've been mulling this one over since it appeared on the list.

The whole 'Gen Y' thing seemed terribly implausible. I'm on a DS9 bulletin
board, which has a good combination of short friendly posts and long
analyses and reponses. We're having a roll call at the moment, and it turns
out most of the regular posters are still in their teens and early twenties.

So the I/E explanation? I don't know. Most of my posts to this list are
extremely frivolous and short and with only a tangential relation to B7, and
I'm as introvert as they come. Long essays require commitment and, being a
control freaky perfectionist, I don't release anything that I haven't given
a substantial amount of work. Incidentally, I don't look for debate at all.
I want people to be utterly persuaded of my opinion ;)

Is it not just as simple a thing as people discovering a new show and
wanting to talk to other people about this, i.e. simple enthusiasm? I
remember when I discovered fandom - it was all I could talk about for
months. I'm sure I burbled a lot and didn't say anything of particular
interest, but people kindly indulged this excited teenager.



> People who are learning to code HTML have to practice on something. The
> lessons are more fun when you are building something you enjoy messing
> about with. My B7 website can't hold a candle to the super ones, but I
> am proud of it anyway, cuz *I* built it myself. :-D

Definitely! More power to anyone wanting to play with HTML.

FWIW, Michael, I've found your enthusiasm very refreshing. I hope the list
and the site do well.


Una

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:27:09 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
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Mistral wrote:
> > > Turn right in story five to find a fanatic (6)
> > I'm guessing at Travis, largely because of the V (for five).  I can't
see
> > how the rest of it pulls together.
>
> [R]ight in story five = sag[R]a V; turn it for Vargas.

Damn, yes!  Saga.  I was too busy toying with 'tale' and 'yarn', completely
overlooked saga.  Nice one.

> > > A famous key figure in organized crime (5)
> > Again, I'm merely guessing, but I'll opt for Largo.
>
> Yes. What we call a double definition; don't know if you have
> those. 'A famous key' refers to the Bogart/Bacall movie Key Largo.

So famous I hav never herd of it (Shut up at the back there, Molesworth I).

> > Even if I'm wrong on the guesses, 3 out of 5 ain't bad for five minutes
> > thought.
>
> Four out of five. Cool.

Three. Correct guesses don't count.

> Guess that means I did it right (first time
> I've tried writing them; took eight or ten minutes.)

Time well spent, though, I enjoyed tussling with them.  Thanks.

> Hm. Try this:
> Biologist's failure leads to complaints continuing (7).

Nope, I'm gonna have to give up on that one.  I suspect there's an Og in it
somewhere, though.

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free number."

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:20:43 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Una wrote:
> Then I shall have a team of piranhas. Swim, my pretties!

To your doom, my pretties, since the piranha is a freshwater fish and cannot
tolerate the salinity of the deep blue sea (where Pat and I are sharking
each other out).

What did you say about losing if you tried to beat yourself up?

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free number."

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 06:45:07 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L] The cold hard truth
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Let's face it, guys and gals, B7 is not the innocent fun we all like to
think it is.  And the proof can now be found at
http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/darkheart/darkheart.htm

Just remember what curiosity did to the cat.

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free number."

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:39:55 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] The cold hard truth
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In message <000701bf8b26$4f2f9600$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>Let's face it, guys and gals, B7 is not the innocent fun we all like to
>think it is.  And the proof can now be found at
>http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/darkheart/darkheart.htm

Error 404...
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:19:14 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] The cold hard truth
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Julia wrote:

>Error 404...

This is because I missed out a link in the chain, it should be:

http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/darkheart/darkheart.htm

and I sent a postscript to that effect within minutes of sending out the
original (wrong) URL.  Too bad I accidentally addressed it to *myself*.

So, I double-check everything I've got wrong in the past ... and find
another couple of fuck-ups to make.

I'll get there in the end.  One day....

Ta, Julia

Neil

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