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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 75

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Belbin
	 [B7L] B7 Blues
	 [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #74
	 [B7L] Team roles
	 [B7L] least vulnerable spots
	 Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
	 Re: [B7L] Greetings
	 Re: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
	 Re: [B7L] Greetings
	 Re: [B7L] Greetings
	 [B7L] Commiseration
	 [B7L] Re: Belbin
	 RE: [B7L] Crossword clues
	 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #74
	 Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
	 Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
	 RE: [B7L] Crossword clues
	 [B7L] FS: Used Zines (USA)
	 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #74
	 Re: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
	 Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
	 Re: [B7L] Belbin
	 Re: [B7L] sexing the box (was Episode Reviews)
	 Re: [B7L] Aftermath (was Greetings)
	 [B7L] Zines again
	 [B7L] Episode Reviews
	 [B7L] Greetings
	 Re: [B7L] Companions on the Liberator
	 Re: [B7L] Commiseration
	 Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
	 Re [B7L] B7 Blues
	 Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
	 [B7L] OT: Bye!
	 Re: [B7L] Darkheart website
	 Re: [B7L] Darkheart website
	 Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
	 [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon
	 [B7L] Off topic--UK sports
	 Re: [B7L] Greetings
	 Re: [B7L] Animals (was Greetings)
	 [B7L] Commiseration
	 RE: [B7L] Crossword clues

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:15:54 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Belbin
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Alison wrote:

> >Investigator - extrovert, enthusiast, communicator, develops contacts /
> >loses interest easily
>
> I don't think they've got one of these. 'Hey, Una, perhaps there was a
> vacancy on the Liberator.'

I'll just pull out my little black book of rebel contacts, tart up my CV and
give them a ring, then.


Una

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:37:49 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Woke up in the morning,
My head pounding away.
Woke up in the morning,
And the cell was all grey.
Shouldn'ta got drunk,
When my caper was done.
Now I'm stuck with this Blake guy, headed for the London.

(cue harmonica music)

Now I'm gettin' involved
In political stuff.
I was never what you'd call
A political buff.
But I'm in with this Blake guy, and intend to stay
Cause Blake got a new ship, and got my end away!

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:55:45 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> >ANd if you simply hit upon the apropos means of introduction, you're
> >meant to be with us. :)
> 
> You mean because I did study the Lyst I am not?  <grin>
> 
> Marian

Au contraire. The fact that you did take up posting *after* reading the
bizarre-ness that is our archives leavse me in no doubt as to your
suitability.

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:00:09 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Going by the brief descriptions given on list
Gan would be a Co-ordinator
Tarrant a Driver
Soolin might be a Specialist
Avon would be a Monitor in seasons 1 & 2.
Vila would be an Investigator, I think. 
The others require a bit more thought than I'm capable of after just
waking up on Saturday morning.

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:07:09 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> - Avon:  his ego  (more impenetrable than Liberator's forcefield);
 
> - Blake:  his heart  (even Jenna can't penetrate it);

I'd have switched these two around. Avon's ego has that certain
wobbliness that comes of wanting other people to admire and/or respect
you. OTOH, Blake has an ego that tells him he can take on the Federation
and *win*. Scarey.

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:01:59 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
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Una wrote:
> Neil (you've been busy on the Lyst today)

Not my fault if people keeping writing interesting posts

> wrote:
> > Your turn.  Or maybe try "Butcher imposed to silence hounds (6)"
>
> Is that Bayban? (I'm shit at crosswords.)

That's right!  Well done!  You see, hounds make a noise sometimes described
as 'baying'.  Therefore a declaration intended to stop them doing so would
be a 'bay ban'.  And it just so happens that there was a character in B7
called 'Bayban' who was also known as 'the Butcher'.  There, you can do it.
Congratulations!  Here, have a <hug>.  No, have three - <hug hug hug>.

Same goes for anyone else.  If you want a <hug>, just ask.  After all, they
don't cost anything, and they make the world a so much better place.  Don't
be shy.  Meanwhile, here are some more cryptics.

"Not quite very large, what we all ought to give each other (3)"
"No tea for brutal fellow, give him this instead (3)"
"Expression of disgust turns into gesture of affection (3)"
"Not the French Ursula following female swan with sinister plans for world
domination (7)"

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free integer deprived further of sensation, perhaps
(6)."

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:40:29 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings
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> >First of all, may I express my intention to spend the weekend scouring
the
> >Netherlands with a very large axe.
>
> I'll put the kettle on, then.  Do you like milk and sugar in your tea?

Three, please.  With sugar.

> Where did I claim to be an *innocent* archivist?  Or do you think that
goes
> with the job?  :-)

Oh, very well, you can be a guilty archivist.  But I think you're doing
yourself a severe injustice.
>
> >but is instead a flightless fish-eating seabird of the
> >southern hemisphere.
>
> You mean a penguin?  Well, I'm short and plump...

That's not a crime and you shouldn't feel bad about it.

> >(Hmm, maybe I should forget the axe and take a Leopard
> >Seal instead.)
>
> O dear, now I start seeing Neil as a Leopard Seal - sleek and graceful...
> :-)

Not adjectives normally cited on my behalf, but I thank you for your kind
intentions.

> >Beauty in this case is surely in the eye of the beholder.
>
> No, no, surely seals *are* sleek and graceful?

Only in the water, and I'm afraid I can't swim.

> > Avon suffers,
> >true, but he's not the only one.  At least he survives, which is more
than
> >can be said for some characters in the story.
>
> Yes, and that's one of the things I liked your story for.  I can't stand
> stories in which he dies.

Neither can I.  I don't like stories in which *any* of them die.  If I read
one I have to go and lie down in a dark room and sob quietly into my pillow.


> > And though there is hurt,
> >there is no comfort, nor does he desire any (as the final section of the
> >story shows him functioning more than capably without it).
>
> Yes, he's very in character (IMO).  Another thing I liked about that
story.

Well, I only write to please, and I would absolutely loathe to upset any fan
by portraying Avon in any way that might upset a potential reader.  It would
leave me feeling absolutely rotten for weeks on end.

> >I suppose I ought to be flattered, but I find it difficult:).  I spend
> hours
> >and hours writing a pastiche/critique of the Hollywood action movie,
>
> Sorry, never watch them.  :-)

Oh dear, I am sorry to hear that.  If I'd known, I would never have written
the story.

> >giving
> >it a moral standpoint overtly antagonistic to the reactionary values
> >normally espoused by that genre, and what do people see?  Avon suffering
> >beautifully!  Was it really worth the effort?
>
> Yes!  I *love* to see Avon suffer; he does it so beautifully.  <eg>

Doesn't he indeed?

> >I've long suspected I've been under-appreciated and now I know I am.
>
> There, there...  <big hug>

Why thank you!  Here, have one back <HUG>

> >Hrummpphhh!  What did Iain call himself recently?  He's got competition.
>
> As for the tea, will Earl Grey do, or would you rather have Darjeeling?

I'm just grateful to be offered a choice.  I'll have whatever you're having.

> (Oh, and be so good to leave your axe outside.)  :-)

Yes, of course, I might drop it and make a nasty dent in the floor.

(Thinks: The things one hav to do when GURLS behav in such a maner.
Ho-de-hum and lets get it ova with.  Wate a minut - this list is *arkived*.
CHIZ CURSES WOT HAV I DUN?)

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a whizzo computa feend and care 0 or less about h/c
baeutiful sufering leppard seels ect ect ect."

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Date:   Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:53:52 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] least vulnerable spots
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Avona wrote:
>> - Avon:  his ego  (more impenetrable than Liberator's forcefield);
>
>> - Blake:  his heart  (even Jenna can't penetrate it);
>
>I'd have switched these two around. Avon's ego has that certain
>wobbliness that comes of wanting other people to admire and/or respect
>you. OTOH, Blake has an ego that tells him he can take on the Federation
>and *win*. Scarey.

Agree about Blake's ego but I really can't see Avon caring a damn about what
others think of him.  He *knows* he's superior to everyone else so why waste
thoughts on other people's opinions?  :-)  He might be sensitive to Orac's
opinion of him, though... No, don't think so. <grin>

Marian

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Date:   Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:29:34 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings
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Christina wrote:
>Hi Marian


Hi Chris

>A belated welcome to the list and lots of greetings from Germany!!!
>I enjoyed your story in the latest AVON letter very much :-)

Danke.

>My fav is Avon, but I like Blake and Vila very much as well. Tarrant ..
well :-)
>Carol isn´t around >bg< so I can be honest..:-)

Oh, I wouldn't be too sure about that.  :-)

>I love to see Avon suffer:-) I am not quite sure whether I have read "
Hunter "
>so far. Is it online or from a zine??

It is in the zine 'Star Two', published by and available from Judith Proctor
(see her website: http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7).

>Well, my fav seasons are the first two ones because I enjoy the Avon/Blake
>relationship and their verbal duels :-) so much

Yes, I love all that verbal firework too.

> but the third season had definitiv its moments.

Such as the interaction between Avon and Tarrant - poor Toothy trying so
hard to intimidate Avon and never succeeding <eg>.  I like the adult way in
which Avon is handling his threats.  Avon isn't exactly noted for character
judgement but IMHO he's got Tarrant spot on.

>Take care

You too. Be very vigilant...  :-)

Marian

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Date:   Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:46:56 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings
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To my:
>> You mean a penguin?  Well, I'm short and plump...

Neil replied:
>That's not a crime and you shouldn't feel bad about it.

Rest assured, I don't.  :-)

>Well, I only write to please, and I would absolutely loathe to upset any
fan
>by portraying Avon in any way that might upset a potential reader.

Must be difficult for you, as every fan sees him differently.

>Oh dear, I am sorry to hear that.  If I'd known, I would never have written
>the story.

And deprived us of that beautiful suffering? <shudder>
 .>> There, there...  <big hug>

>Why thank you!  Here, have one back <HUG>

Thank you, Neil.  I feel honoured.

>> As for the tea, will Earl Grey do, or would you rather have Darjeeling?

>I'm just grateful to be offered a choice.  I'll have whatever you're
having.

A man who isn't fussy.  You've got a lot going for you, Neil.  :-)

>CHIZ CURSES WOT HAV I DUN?)

Well, are you going to tell us?

Marian

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:08:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Sondra Sweigman <sweigman@world.std.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Commiseration
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     If it's any consolation, Neil, *I* never perceived your Avon as
"suffering beautifully."  In fact, I've been "slandered" in much the
same way although not by the same penguin (pardon me, person).  To
wit: I've been accused (repeatedly) of writing hurt/comfort in my B7
novels.  What we have operating here, I think, is the time-honored
psychological principle that people will see what they're predisposed
to see (and want to see).  

     Sondra (who realizes that she's upset one of *your*
preconceptions by publicly agreeing with you about something :-))

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:19:03 -0000
From: "Ebony" <ebonyben@indigo.ie>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Belbin
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Alison wrote:

>Investigator - extrovert, enthusiast, communicator, develops contacts /
>loses interest easily

>I don't think they've got one of these. 'Hey, Una, perhaps there was a
>vacancy on the Liberator.'

Dayna?

Ebony

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:27:52 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Crossword clues
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Neil wrote:
> 
> Same goes for anyone else.  If you want a <hug>, just ask.  
> After all, they
> don't cost anything, and they make the world a so much better 
> place.  Don't be shy.  

<whimper> Please make the scary man go away. Penny, Una, anybody?

Jacqueline

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:13:26 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #74
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In message <38D3C321.197C@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes
>Au contraire. The fact that you did take up posting *after* reading the
>bizarre-ness that is our archives leavse me in no doubt as to your
>suitability.
>
Hmm. What does it say about me that I read the list for about a year
before I got Internet access - by downloading a month's worth of
archives whenever I got the chance to use someone else's access on
Janet?
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:32:19 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
Message-ID: <TbhHtEBzPA14EwSb@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <000701bf9117$1a087360$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>Same goes for anyone else.  If you want a <hug>, just ask.  After all, they
>don't cost anything, and they make the world a so much better place.  Don't
>be shy. 

All right then, gizzahug...
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:23:44 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
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Neil wrote:

> Congratulations!  Here, have a <hug>.  No, have three - <hug hug hug>.

Bless!


Una
    

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:43:55 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Crossword clues
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At 11:27 PM 18/03/00 +0100, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:

><whimper> Please make the scary man go away. Penny, Una, anybody?

Shame on you, Sister J, invoking the name of FINALACT's demiarchrival in
your time of crisis. Anyhow, I thought we liked our men scary.

--Penny (Firing Up The Karaoke Machine)
______________________________
"No rules, no naps, no shoes!"

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:52:33 -0600
From: Terry Owen <sandstar@sff.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] FS: Used Zines (USA)
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I am moving soon and have a few older Blakes 7 zines to sell in the hopes
of clearing out some of the clutter.  I'm asking $5.00 each plus 3.30
postage.  I prefer selling in the US.  (I always end up losing money on
international transactions for some reason.) The zines are:

Gambit 10
Gambit 11
Southern Seven - 8
Southern Seven - 10

I've even got a brand new PayPal account; that would allow you to pay
electronically.  I've also got a decent eBay record as sandstar.

If interested please respond to:

sandstar@technologist.com

Thanks,

Terry Owen

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:09:26 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #74
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Julia Jones wrote:

> Hmm. What does it say about me that I read the list for about a year
> before I got Internet access - by downloading a month's worth of
> archives whenever I got the chance to use someone else's access on
> Janet?

Resourceful, econcomical, likely to do well as an embezzler?

Mistral
--
"Consider it an adventure."--Galen, 'Crusade'

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:29:10 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:53:52 +0100 "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
writes:
 I really can't see Avon caring a damn 
> about what
> others think of him.  He *knows* he's superior to everyone else so 
> why waste
> thoughts on other people's opinions?  :-)  He might be sensitive to 
> Orac's
> opinion of him, though... No, don't think so. <grin>
> 
I'm not so sure.  I think Avon needed other people to _know_ how superior
he was (except for those times he was pretending to be something inferior
as a set up so he could _really_ get them). 

Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:43:47 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:34:31 -0500 "Dana Shilling"
<dshilling@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> I'm fascinated by the pre-Personal Computer assumption that a 
> hartless
> whizzo computer feend* would be a hardware man. (No, 
> really...HARDWARE!! The
> stuff you open up and prod with screwdrivers...) Nowadays I think we 
> would
> imagine Avon to be a programmer or a sysadmin, and you can be a very
> effective hacker without being able to soup up top-of-the-line 
> spaceships.

I've often wondered about Avon's well-roundedness
(training-educationwise, that is). It seems a little beyond what anyone
could possibly accomplish.

Conclusion A: Avon's the result of a Clonemaster / Other genetic
experiment that got away (and either missed out on or rejected the Rule
of Life [or has very strange ways of employing it]).

Conclusion B: Not human to begin with.

>That's why I can't really imagine him surviving Gauda 
> Prime.
> All pragmatists know that you save the last bullet for yourself, and 
> all
> perfectionists know that if you want something done right you have 
> to do it
> yourself...
>
But killing Avon, in Avon's view, is a bigger desecration than frying
Orac's circuits so he/she/it would make a better coaster. It's the kind
of incompetence he'd never assist even if he knew they were going to make
a mess of it.

Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:36:19 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Belbin
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:58:40 -0000 "Alison Page"
<alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes:
> This is what I thought:

> >Monitor - strategic, discerning, sees problems / lacks drive, poor 
> at motivating people
> 
> Cally

Eep! I don't know that Cally was poor at motivating people in general.
She was just very poor at motivating the Liberator crew, whose motives
(let's face it) were a little on the far side of the universe from hers.
Give her a bunch of Aurons to work with, and she might have been a real
rabble rouser (which was why they exiled her).

As for "lacks drive," you can wipe out everyone else on the planet
(twice!) and she doesn't stop coming at you.
> 
> >Specialist - professional, dedicated, skilful / narrow, does not 
> work
> >outside own field
> 
> Soolin

"I'm a gunfighter, not a doctor!" So, Soolin and McCoy had the same
personality....

Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:11:27 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:51:12 -0000 "Alison Page"
<alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >(Penny's Predictable Response #55) We have the gender-neutral 
> pronouns of
> >"Spivak": e,em,eir,eirs,eirself.
> 
> Oh, I had forgotten that. There are a few other systems aren't 
> there?
> I wonder if it will ever catch on.
> 
I doubt it.  According to an acquaintance, pronouns are on the list of
word types languages don't often absorb. The last recorded case of a
language doing it was a thousand years ago (English, pronoun 'them,' I
think. But as this could also be listed as absorbing an alternate
pronunciation from a closely related language being spoken by
semi-invading Danes settling in England, I gathered it was disputed as a
valid example.)  Personally, I've never been big on the theory of gender
neutral pronouns promoting gender equity since the languages that have
gender neutral pronouns for all human beings don't seem to have promoted
it among their speakers.

Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:01:57 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:13:53 +0100 "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
writes:
>
> Yes, although I still think it out of character for Avon to be so 
> trusting -
> or to be prepared to rely on a blind man to guard Orac.  So it's 
> probably a
> combination of overestimating Mellanby, underestimating Servalan, 
> the false
> sense of security the underwater dwelling provides and his headache.
> 
Plus just regular, old battle fatigue. Besides, perhaps, after spending
however long fighting shapechanging, other galaxy aliens, Servalan
(temporarily) looked like such a minor, normal, everyday problem.

I think also Hal Mellanby must have reminded Avon of someone he knew. 
It's true he had a great deal in common with Blake (but, from Avon's
perspective, had taken a much saner line after escaping a massacre by
finding a safe place for his ship and keeping a low profile while
otherwise doing whatever he wanted), but I don't think that's it (it may
be Blake reminded him of the same person, but in a more negative way). 
Mellanby is older than Blake, more physically damaged but less mentally
injured than fearless leader.  Maybe Avon's own father was like him (and
Blake)?  Maybe he fought the good fight (and lost, since the Federation's
still around) and his son went the opposite extreme and determined to
survive the Federation and come out on top (teenage rebellion, gotta love
it).  Part of his hostility towards Blake (without Avon's analyzing it)
would be because Blake reminds him of the things in his father he was
determined would never be part of his own life (and Blake keeps insisting
Avon adapt them).

Mellanby, OTOH, was really older, so Avon would be immediately less
hostile to any paternal bossiness - but he's also considerably mellower
and less pushy.  Also, if Avon is in any way thinking of his own father,
remember that Mellanby is the guy who gave up his fight with the
Federation partly because of the importance he places on his own
children.

Of course, if Avon ever puts what happened to the Mellanby family on the
same level as if it had happened to his own family - and if he blames
himself - well, OK, he's done a good job of hiding it and you think he
would have dealt a little more harshly with Servalan, given the chance,
but there may be a _little_ of that floating around in his psyche.

Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:57:28 -0600
From: Terry Owen <sandstar@sff.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zines again
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Someone has claimed all four zines, so they now have a new home.  

Thanks,

Terry Owen

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:03:52 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Ebony wrote:
> ... but new talent is often stunted by such very high expectations.  
> ...this particular idiot will continue to fiddle with her site, 

Nicely put. It is the fiddling with things that, in slow increments,
creates wonders.
New fans creating initial websites are like new fans writing zine
stories. The first attempt may not be stellar. Who, after all, creates a
thing of perfection and awe upon first try? First attempts are almost
always clumsy and imitative. But only by taking those first clumsy (even
boring to others) steps can one climb to the pinnacle of excellence. So
I have no complaint with fannish sites that say nothing radically new.
To tell newbies in any field to attempt nothing unless it is wildly
creative would stop art, music and literature dead in its tracks.

PatP


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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:18:24 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
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Sally wrote: re Lisa's:
>>But - but could it be true? A secret devotee of h/c and Avon-torture in our 
>>very midst and we never guessed.
>Confess all, Neil! We will understand!!!
ah ha! Methinks the laddie didth protest too much.


Meredith wrote re Andrew wrote:
>I appreciate the apology, but it's unnecessary.   You didn't
>make a mistake at all; that really *was* Neil's post.    A few
>days ago, in another thread, I made a comment and for some reason
>everyone thought Neil had said it.  Here, I was answering a post
>you had specifically directed to Neil, so I could just see that
>happening again!  I decided to head it off at the pass.  I am
>sorry that I didn't make this clear.

I am soooooo confused! Get me a soma.
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:01:49 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Companions on the Liberator
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In a message dated 3/17/00 3:52:40 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
russ@wriding.demon.co.uk writes:

<< People tend to underestimate Nyssa's ruthlessness. <snip>. With
 slightly more arrogance she'd be a female Avon!  >>

Yes, I think she could get along pretty well with all of them.  Avon would 
like having someone else with a scientific and practical viewpoint around.

<< Mel was brave, intelligent, curious and highly moral. I think
 she'd have backed Blake all the way after first hand experience of the
 Federation. And for what it's worth, she'd always have trusted him >>

But she'd have loathed Avon, and I'm sure the feeling would have been mutual. 
 He'd find a way to get rid of her if only to not have to listen to her 
scream every time something surprised her.

Nina

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:18:01 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration
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Sondra wrote:
>      If it's any consolation, Neil, *I* never perceived your Avon as
> "suffering beautifully."  In fact, I've been "slandered" in much the
> same way although not by the same penguin (pardon me, person).  To
> wit: I've been accused (repeatedly) of writing hurt/comfort in my B7
> novels.  What we have operating here, I think, is the time-honored
> psychological principle that people will see what they're predisposed
> to see (and want to see).

Very possibly, but we must remember that people are perfectly entitled to
see whatever they wish to see, even if this means they totally overlook the
author's real message.  Most fanfic readers want something they can react to
emotionally, not intellectually, so they should be allowed to indulge
themselves whenever the opportunity arises.  They have every right to
exercise their perception of suffering as 'beautiful' because there is an
inherent beauty in everything, even Avon getting his legs riddled with
bullets (as happened in my story), and there is no imperative for them to
pay a similar amount of attention to equally nasty things happening to other
characters, such as Dayna (who is after all just some bimbo spade and
doesn't count).

>      Sondra (who realizes that she's upset one of *your*
> preconceptions by publicly agreeing with you about something :-))

You might have once, but not now.  I am a Changed Person.  I've made too
many arrogant, elitist and downright sarcastic posts.  From now on I'm going
to be extremely nice to everyone, even Una.  Marian has shown me the error
of my ways, and to her I'm extremely grateful.

Now, who wants a <hug>?

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free number."

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:00:25 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
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Julia wrote:
> All right then, gizzahug...

I'd be delighted!  You're so deserving.  Here - <HUG>

Oh, it's just so *wonderful* to be alive...

Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free hugger."

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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:59:50 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L] B7 Blues
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Here's one for Vila to sing (possibly on the Other List, but I'm not subbed
to that).
Up-tempo a la Elmore James, I think...

When I wake up in the morning
There's one thing I gotta do.
Gets so lonely in my cabin
This bunk can surely hold two.
So I feed my little red rooster
To stop him turning blue.

I guess all the others do too,
And you might find it explains
Why for nearly every mission
We have a costume change.
It's got nuthin' to do with fashion,
It's all to do with stains.

I got stains on my jacket, got stains on my coat,
Stains on the scarf that I wrap round my throat,
Stains on my socks, and stains on my trews.
I even got stains on my blue suede shoes!

No we don't say nuthin' 'bout it,
I guess it don't appeal.
And we never don't say nuthin' 'bout
How we don't get it for real.
But you know when Cally does it...
...We all know how it feels!


Neil

"I am not a man, I am a free number."

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:01:59 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Lost in Cyberspace
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In a message dated 3/18/00 6:18:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
rilliara@juno.com writes:

<< I've often wondered about Avon's well-roundedness
 (training-educationwise, that is). It seems a little beyond what anyone
 could possibly accomplish. >>

Combined hardware/software skills are kind of rare, but not nonexistent -- my 
other half is that type.  Started in electronics and progressed into 
programming.  I suspect that as a child, Avon (and Blake too, probably) drove 
adults nuts by taking everything apart to see how it worked.

Nina

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:02:26 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] OT: Bye!
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I must depart the Lyst before the little devil on my shoulder manages to
goad me into savage flaming...I guess the sap is rising...I'll still be
able to read the archives, though, and I Know Where You Live... Sister
Jacqueline, you have demonstrated your abilities amply and I am confident
that you will be able to uphold the honour of FINALACT here...I shall focus
my energies on keeping the Other List safe from democracy.

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:53:20 -0000
From: "Deborah Day" <d.day@ukgateway.net>
To: "blakes7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website
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Never mind about the shuffling ones in fandom, I am a member of the Penguins
badminton club, one of the largest in Surrey, who regularly travel all over
the country to take the word to new communities (sounding like Brian Blessed
there).  Penguin web site http://bigfoot.com/~penguin_bc  Join as a social
member!

Debbie

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:05:28 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "blakes7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Darkheart website
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Debbie wrote:


> Never mind about the shuffling ones in fandom, I am a member of the
Penguins
> badminton club, one of the largest in Surrey, who regularly travel all
over
> the country to take the word to new communities (sounding like Brian
Blessed
> there).  Penguin web site http://bigfoot.com/~penguin_bc  Join as a social
> member!

I notice you train on Blakes Lane, as well, which is presumably more proof
as far as Neil's concerned.


Una

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:21:58 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Crossword clues
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In message <000201bf915d$7a4b3b40$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>Oh, it's just so *wonderful* to be alive...

I give in. You can keep up this up longer than I can without puking.
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:29:06 GMT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Ali G interviews Kerr Avon
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Parts of this post really are very rude, so if you're in an easily-offended 
mood, you might do well to put this one aside for later use!

-- Rob XXXX


=====================================================================


ALI:  Respect!  I is ere today wiv da main man: da baddest, wickedest rebel 
in da galaxy.  Im got nab by da Feder-a-shun after nickin a zillion squids 
from dem, but den im escape an wup de arses of da feds for four years.  Yeh, 
so e got is posse killed at de end, but we won't say nuffink about dat.  I 
is goin to aks you to put your ands togevva for da man imsewf: Kerr Avon.  
Booyakasha, Avon!!

AVON: [Disdainful, contemptuous silence]

ALI:  Yeah, for real.  So, Avon.  If you is da brainiest geeza in da galaxy, 
ow cumz you got nab by da Feds?

AVON: [A long, deliberate pause].  Well, if you really must know, I made the 
mistake of misplacing my trust.

ALI:  Yeah.  Like my uncle Jamal.  Im misplace da keys to is beemer, an got 
nab affa doin an off-license.

AVON: I see I'm in the presence of someone who lacks even the remotest 
capacity for engaging in intelligent conversation.  What I meant by that 
remark was that I trusted someone I should not have trusted.

ALI:  Nah, dat ain't wot you said.

AVON: [Several seconds go by, during which Avon stares at Ali without 
blinking.]  That was what I meant.

ALI:  Yeah, well you should ave said so, den, innit?  [Looks to the camera 
as if he's in the company of a complete retard.]  Yeah, but nuff o dat.  I 
eard you ad a bit of a to-do wiv Anna Scott.

AVON: Her name was Anna Grant.

ALI:  Yeah, right.  But I seen dis picture of er, an I reckon she woz a bit 
of a minger.

AVON: [More to himself than Ali] A bit of a "minger".

ALI:  So, ow cumz you woz goin out wiv er when she woz a bit ruff?

AVON: [Looks up at Ali once more, and fixes his gaze] I had a conversation 
like this with a man aboard a convict ship once.  Two years later, I caught 
up with him, and blew the top of his head off.

ALI:  Yeah, respect.  You is one bad-arse muvver.  But wot as dat got to do 
wiv wevver Anna Scott woz a minger?

AVON: [Shakes his head]

ALI:  So, anyway, you woz in space for four years, wiv some pretty fit 
punani, an', er, did you ever, you know, er, slip it to any of dem?

AVON: I am not going to answer a question that is beneath even the level of 
the slime that asked it.

ALI:  See, coz, if dat woz me, I would be avvin dem bowf at da same time.  
An I woz wonderin ow cumz you never bone any of dem.

AVON: [This time, his stare betrays genuine fury]

ALI:  Coz I got dis friend in da Staines massive, Ali-son, an she sez to me 
dat you woz avvin it away wiv Blake.  Is dat wot woz goin on?

AVON: [Calming down somewhat] No, that was not what was "going on".

ALI:  Respect!  I did not fink you woz a batty-boy.  But ow cumz you shot 
Blake at de end, if e woz suppose to be your mate?

AVON: [Retreating into himself again, and showing obvious signs of deep 
sadness] Not even I know the answer to that question.

ALI:  Yeah, but Alison finks she knows.  She reckon Blake woz bonin some 
uvver geeza, an you flipped out when you found out, innit?

AVON: I really have no desire to continue this conversation.

ALI:  Yeah, but you as to.  Coz, for one fing, you is tied to dis bench, an 
for anuvver fing, me mate Servalan want to know where you as idden Orac.

AVON: And Servalan knows I'd rather die than give her that piece of 
information.

SERVALAN:  Yes, Avon, I do know you'd rather die than tell me Orac's 
location.  I also know you'd rather die than spend three weeks in the 
company of my charming associate here.  Unfortunately for you, death is not 
a privilege I feel disposed to extend to you.  Yet.



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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:52:14 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Debbie wrote:

> Never mind about the shuffling ones in fandom, I am a member of the Penguins
>  badminton club

Sounds like fun!  The website was delightful, especially the perky penguin. 

Totally off topic, does anyone know of any London-area soccer or outdoor 
volleyball clubs where a visiting US male might be able to join in a game?  
If anyone does, please reply to me off list, unless you can think of a B7 
connection.  Such as...  Which B7ers would be better at which sport:

Volleyball--Tarrant, the height and reach advantage
Soccer--Vila, sneaky and able to steal the ball without the opposing player 
realizing it has gone missing.
Badminton--Jenna, Spacefall showed us she was skilled at swatting cock. ;)

Carol Mc

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:53:59 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greetings
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To Neil's:
<First of all, may I express my intention to spend the weekend scouring the 
Netherlands with a very large axe.>

Marian answered:
<I'll put the kettle on, then.  Do you like milk and sugar in your tea?>

And later…
<I've long suspected I've been under-appreciated and now I know I am.>

<There, there...  <big hug> <snip> As for the tea, will Earl Grey do, or 
would you rather have Darjeeling?
(Oh, and be so good to leave your axe outside.)  :-)

Anyone else have this GLORIOUS mental picture of Marian doing this warm and 
fuzzy bit to My Darlings on the Liberator?


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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:56:09 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (was Greetings)
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Marian wrote:
<Instead, Paul was given the guest role of Justin.  Now, would that have 
made 'Animals' our all time favourite episode?>

Good God. I thought Avon looked bad enough in *that* get-up in Deathwatch, 
but the mental picture of Paul in Justin's surreally awful outfit is…is…

And Una wrote:
<<shocked voice> You mean 'Animals' isn't our all time favourite episode? 
Have I been misunderstanding everyone for all this time?>

Well remember, Una, it *did* have top spot on the B7 ladder last year when 
we stopped playing - does that mean the august members of this Lyst have 
chosen it as the very best?


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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:57:01 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Commiseration
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Sondra wrote to Neil:
<In fact, I've been "slandered" in much the same way although not by the 
same penguin (pardon me, person).>

But you must understand, *some* of us look for Beautiful Suffering (and/or 
A-B) in every story we read - and believe me, it isn't easy in stories 
neither A nor B are *in*...

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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:58:52 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Crossword clues
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After Neil wrote:
<Same goes for anyone else.  If you want a <hug>, just ask. After all, they 
don't cost anything, and they make the world a so much better  place.  Don't 
be shy.>

Jacqeline pleaded:
<Please make the scary man go away. Penny, Una, anybody?>

Actually, though, this could be fun - if it bled over to Neil's stories, we 
might get an <oh joy> sweetness-and-light-and-sunshine-and-lollipops Avon...

Come on, Neil, you *can* do it. I have faith.


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