From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #12 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/12 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 12 Today's Topics: [B7L] Space Fall 2/3 [B7L] Space Fall 3/3 [B7L] Space Fall 1/3 (2nd try) re:[B7L] :Upcoming excitement Re: Jenna's Jewelry was Re: [B7L] The Way Back 3/4 Re: re[B7L] The City at the edge of the World Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4 [B7L] PBS program [B7L] Jackie's flick [B7L] Radio Play Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4 Re: re[B7L] The City at the edge of the World [B7L] "Don't try and manipulate me, Blake" Re: [B7L] Radio Play Re: [B7L] Del Grant? [B7L] Steve Taylor - Radio play details Fwd: [B7L] Space Fall 2/3 RE: [B7L] "Don't try and manipulate me, Blake" Re: [B7L] Budget Re: [B7L] Del Grant? [B7L] City at the Edge of the World Re:[B7L] Radio Times [B7L] Radio Play, anyone taping it? [B7L] Spam Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4 Re: [B7L] Bad News/Good News Cubed [B7L] Re: Upcoming excitement [B7L] Cygnus Alpha Re: [B7L] Del Grant? Re: [B7L] Get into the pay per call industry for FREE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:34:34 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] Space Fall 2/3 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Write like an Egyptian: What's with the hieroglyphs on the guards' clipboards? All of the other writing is in English ("Cygnus Alpha", "Terminal", "Weapon", to name 3 off the top of my head) so why the geometric shapes here? Salad Shooter: colanders for hats and salamis for oxygen tubes. The question that dominates the entire series and is without a compelling answer is what the hell did the BBC do with all the money they didn't spend onthe series. Some BBC executive is now living in luxury in the Cayman Islands on what should've been flattering, yet practical, outfits for our heroes and villains. And 3 other BBC execs are whooping it up on the breath-taking special effects and sets we didn't get. Reading comprehension. So it's taken Avon 4 months to read that piece of paper. Maybe it's a translation of Baudrillard. Blake and Avon: "Could it be altered?" Blake knows what Avon's thinking as soon as Avon thinks it. This is a gift of Blake's that doesn't change until the finale: the ability to do an accurate cold reading of total strangers. His ability to judge character and Avon's corresponding inability to do so is one of the binaries that make them complementary characters, two sides of the same coin. "Don't try to manipulate me, Blake." Is this where all the trouble started? Avonaniacs hear this and assume if Avon says it, it must be true? Do they also believe him when he says "mine will be the most important job"? Compared to checking out the service shafts, thinking up the plan, getting everyone organized and motivating everyone, knocking out the computer is hardly the most important job, sweetie. As far as the "manipulation" accusation goes, it's Avon that tries to manipulate Blake: making sure Blake knows who he is and what he does as soon as Blake enters the room to talk to Vila and Jenna. His early move toward Blake is also one of Avon's very rare occasions of correctly reading people: he knows Blake and his group are the ones who will either survive on CA or get out. IMO Blake is yanking Avon's chain: Blake knows Avon has a bug up his butt and can't resist teasing him for a few seconds. Some bubbles beg to have pins stuck in them. One of the other people in Rallying Call made a brilliant observation about Avon and the M word: Avon thinks it's manipulation because if it was Avon doing it, it would be. Drooling for Blake: Ahhhh. Forearms! We see forearms! And he looks drop dead gorgeous in all of the scenes in the computer room. Hate the dialogue; that speech is over the top (and I want to jab him hard for "free MEN?" "honest MAN"?) but he looks hot. And that voice through the intercom--"Better make up your mind quickly then." "I'll settle for yours." Yowza. It almost makes up for the goony walk down the corridor. Blake slate: After 4 months on the ship, I think Blake is still recovering himself. He was operating under the influence for 4 years, after all and even if the drugs are gone and he knows the truth, it's gotta take time to reclaim all the memories (if he ever can) and completely shake the conditioning. This is his first attempt after nearly 5 years at doing the rebel leader thing and in some respects he isn't fully ready. But he doesn't have the luxury of waiting around too long. His rage in the computer room, in one of a very few speeches Blake ever makes about his motives and beliefs, is raw, like a fresh wound. Some of it is new, of course--finding out about his family, seeing the massacre in TWB, being set up on false molestation charges, etc. Some of it is pain from a scar ripped off: the 4 years that were taken from him, remembrance of torture past, the first massacre, the first trial, and he must've known at some level what was happening to him when they reprogrammed him and is just getting to express the fury now. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:37:56 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] Space Fall 3/3 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Criminal classes: Going by this lot of desperadoes, it would seem that the greatest threat to the Federation's internal security comes from meek middle-age white guys who look like they want to do nothing more dangerous than get home to Wheel of Fortune and a chicken pot pie (insert British equivalent). The company he keeps: You know, Blake must have spent a lot of time with criminals. Rebels, outsiders (going outside the dome is a crime), his uncle and other people on Xbar. Liberator: What space battle? Why would 2 or more alien fleets be having a battle in Federation space? Why would a ship from a civilization as far away as The System be involved? Big Ball o' Zen: So was Jenna's mother attacked by Fed troopers or not? Was that an image from her memory or did the defense system take an image of her mother and then project Jenna's own fears about the Federation into a good memory? I think Jenna is a rebel sympathizer-- she knew Avalon so presumably she had some business with rebels-- and the thing with her mother may or may not have fed into that. Triangulate this: I see shadows of Blake, Avon, and Jenna in the relationships among Leylan, Raiker, and Artix. The link between Raiker and Avon is particularly strong since the camera makes a visual link by going to Avon immediately after Raiker's run in with Jenna, and Raiker also greedy and manipulative. The power struggle between him and Leylan is also similar to the struggles between Blake and Avon to come. Of course, Leylan doesn't have Blake's leadership ability and is a weak commander: the drugs, the "be discreet" comment, the willingness to risk the prisoners' lives, a general lowered concern with the life of cargo, the lack of respect from his crew. His basic decency has been eroded by the job and Federation. And Raiker is worse than Avon. Artix is caught between the two, or the two possible paths they represent, as Jenna is in the computer room scene. Heads up: Many elements of the series are established in this episode: banter among the crew, 3-dimensional guest characters, Avon balking and then doing whatever Blake wants, Vila's cowardice, etc. The most regrettable has to be Acting. Make that OverActing. The guard on duty at the time of the shock waves, demonstrates one of the most frequent techniques of overacting employed on the show week in and week out. Its ubiquitousness has earned it it's own spot in the Blake's 7 Drinking Game (http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Game.html). I refer, of course, to the head grab. The guard here illustrates the "two-handed with prop" variation of the move. The Unknown Reviewer says of Blake's 7: I haven't seen this much head grabbed since the last Falcon video. Bloopers (from http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/bloop.html): The star screen in the window wobbles as Avon disappears into the hatch. Zen does not have his transparent dome. Blake is wearing a buckled seat belt when shown in the restraint harness (just before Raiker orders his release), it's gone when he stands up but he never unbuckled it. The wall wobbles when Leylan removes the communicator to talk to Blake and again when he replaces it. Liberator console wobbles when Jenna touches it. Favorite scenes/lines: VILA: You can't afford to be choosy now! JENNA: Why else would I be talking to you? VILA: Blake -- Kerr Avon. When it comes to computers, he's the number two man in all the Federated worlds. NOVA: Who's number one? VILA: The guy who caught him. BLAKE: You're a civilized man, Avon. On Cygnus Alpha that will not be a survival characteristic. JENNA: What do you think they'll do to us? BLAKE: Something unfriendly. JENNA: I've had worse offers. Worst moment: The Raiker doll on the visible string. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:41:56 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: [B7L] Space Fall 1/3 (2nd try) Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry about the formatting foul up on the first try. This one should be better... These comments on "Space Fall" are based on, but not identical to, those in Rallying Call issue 15 (October, 1995) and my web site (http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/rc15.html). London Bridge: Doesn't the London's flight deck look like the one from "Mission to Destiny" (minus the corpse)? I suppose all freighters would have similar design (even if the Ortega looked like a turtle on the outside instead aof flying shoe box like the London). This would explain the many guest appearances of the London in later episodes ("Horizon," for example): all Federation freighters are based on the same model. And all planet surfaces look alike from orbit. How lucky for the stock footage archive. Do you know who I am?: Raiker knows who Blake is but (apparently) doesn't recognize him on sight. I think Avon recognizes either the name or face since he insinuates himself into Blake's group as soon as he can or at least as soon as Blake is there to see. Either that or Blake is giving off Alpha Male vibes that don't carry through my TV. Jenna Stannis, Space Pilot: The way she takes that hit from Raiker is one of the things that kept me watching the series. She knows her business, knows what to expect from a bully like Raiker, and maintains her integrity. I imagine her response to Raiker is a riff on the word "hard"... On the other hand, so to speak, she does stick her hand in the sealing gel while explaining that it goes solid in seconds. Rebel at heart: Although she sounds less than enthusiastic about Blake's plans in "Time Squad," I think it stems from suddenly being more closely involved than she had been before. Running guns or whatever she was doing that brought her in contact with Avalon isn't the same as being on the front lines at someone else's discretion. I don't think she is ever in fundamental disagreement with Blake, though. In the computer room, she's like Mulder: she wants to believe. Jenna and Vila: I love the joking after Raiker leaves. Vila: Now Vila, if he'd been made the offer, would've hopped into Raiker's bed without a look back. Vila is happy to sell anyone out at any time, long-term friendship or not. Not just to save his own skin (like stepping out of the way as Raiker is selecting victims), which is understandable, but just to make life easier for himself. He also blows the escape attempt. Blake may blame himself, but it was Vila's fault. But if the escape had succeeded, Blake and the others wouldn't have been sent over to the Liberator. Missing in action: Where's Paura? Ay yai yai yai: Veela? Nova: Somewhere in fandom, I hear, there's a letter written from Blake to Nova's mother, Mrs. Caine, informing her of her son's death...I think Nova must have a distant ancestor who fought in World War 1...Someone on AOL referred to Nova as the first man in space to be moussed to death. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blkes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:53:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L] :Upcoming excitement Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Jackie wrote: > G. Robbins wrote: > .....hmmmm. When I first > > read that I was thinking, what the hell what is going on here? At the end > > of Children of Auron it seemed like they were all safe, and how could Avon > > be incarcerated? It just seemed pretty clever how it all worked out. I > > like how Vila, Dayna, and Tarrant all taunt Shrinker. That was pretty > > good. I am so anxious to see it...I can't wait to see what kind of a > > woman Anna is, as well... > > Don`t hold your breath! She is most definately not the kind of woman I > would associate with Avon. > Au contraire, they make an excellent couple. OK, she's not the most glamourous woman in the Federation, but she's quite nice looking and has intelligence, wit and steely determination to match Avon's. I can certainly see why someone like Avon would go for Anna. > PS I like Rumours, its my fav. ep. > 'Tis indeed wonderful. The whole business with Shrinker is very well done (it was _ages_ before I realised that was the guy who played Bercol!), the double-act in the security centre is a joy to watch and the closing lines are very memorable. Is this the only 3rd season episode to show the Federation/rebellion political situation? Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:51:32 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: Jenna's Jewelry was Re: [B7L] The Way Back 3/4 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Ken Minne wrote: > How does Jenna, presumably a regular criminal smuggler, manage to get > all the way through the Federation Justice System, and most of the way > to Cygnus Alpha, with her jewelry intact? She has a bag with her in the transport cell, too. Probably bribed the guard. But conspiracy is so much more fun. 8-) > If she was a VIP, in the conspiracy, the guards may have been looking > out for her. Assuming a conspiracy run by Glynd to aid Blake's escape, I figure Jenna isn't in on it. Glynd could've chosen her for her rebel leanings (the Avalon connection) or maybe she was the only pilot in custody at the time. But the idea that she was in on it is intriguing. There are two fan novels...The Long Way Back...and I can't think of the other title...that do involve a conspiracy of sorts to get Blake and Avon and the others together. They're well-written and go into a lot of depth about Federation society. I don't actually buy into most of the author's vision (I especially dislike her Blake 8-), but the zines are really interesting. What IS the title of the other one? It's the sequel...I can picture the cover... Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:04:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: re[B7L] The City at the edge of the World Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Lorna B. wrote: > Jackie said: > > He tried to bully Vila again in Moloch (he pulled a gun on him), although > > > this time Vila stood up to him, and called his bluff. > And Tarrant was right to do so! Vila's trying to desert *during a mission* > was one of the dumbest stunts he ever pulled. Also note that Vila knew by > this time that Tarrant wouldn't really hurt him. > When else would Vila get a chance to leave? I think Tarrant's reaction was the worst possible. Vila is willing to chuck in his life on the liberator to join up with his new pals. Why? Because these guys like him, whereas his present colleagues just use him. (At least, that's the way Vila is thinking.) Pulling a gun on him is hardly going to make him feel more liked. > > Thats true, that was thoughtfull of him. But it was only a very brief > > meeting that he had with her. If she lived on board the Liberator, > > things would have been different. I definately think he would have got > > around to questioning her affection for Vila. > Why should he? Tarrant can get his own girls, if he wants them. > That's not really the point, though, I don't think. In going for Vila, Kerril would be implicitly saying Vila is more attractive than Tarrant. I have a feeling our resourceful, decorative, brave, young and handsome pilot would have a wee bit of a problem coming to terms with that. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Rhonda L Stroud wrote: > You raise some interesting questions. Blake just didn't seem charismatic > enough to have such a large following if his only gripe with the Federation > was personal. 8-) I've always found this really funny: within the series Blake is supposed to be very charismatic but within fandom it's Avon who has the followers. > Many people have personal grudges against the US gov't. or a > branch (the IRS immediately comes to mind), but just because someone > suffered an unkindness at the tax dept. won't make me want to join up and > fight. In order to attract quality followers and sensible people to a > rebellion I would think you would need an ideology, a call to action that > sounds logical and intelligent reason why people should care about the issue > and join your revolution. If your reasons for sedition are purely personal, > you aren't going to attract a crowd. Yeah, I agree mostly. The personal bits of Blake's motives must also touch a chord with others--what he experienced was worse than what the rest of the crew had been through but many of the events were not unique. The have the power to motivate others because they're part of ongoing, systemic evil within the Federation that infiltrate, even define, the lives of so many people within that society. But there has to be something more going on than that, some underlying philosophy of how things ought to be, that attracts like- minded people who are moved enough to take up arms and fight. I think that TWB indicates that was the case. Maybe some of the people in the series remember Blake from before as well and react to him based more on that than the Blake we see in the series (although I like him just fine 8-). > That's why I've always assumed that > initially Blake was someone who held a position of responsibility (I've > always thought of him as a holder of a high status position in a tech field, > thus explaining why Avon knew who Blake was, but Blake didn't know Avon, who > was a senior researcher), who became politically active after he noticed a > pattern of Federation abuses. I like it. I also like the idea of Blake somehow attached to the military. That would account for his abilities as a battle commander and some of the other tings he knows how to do. It would also give him a close-up view of what the Federation gets up to since it seems to be Space Command that does a lot of the dirty work. Maybe he was in something like an engineering corps? The aquatar project would've mixed both civil and military personnel. In the Federation, the line seems more than a little blurred. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:26 EST From: Carolyn772 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] PBS program Message-ID: <2f132e59.34bb82f3@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit PBS, (Public Broadcasting) is running a series about the discoveries of science in the 20th century. I didn't see the first part, but as I was channel-surfing last night, I stopped to watch the program, and the segment it was doing on black holes. The narrator, Charles Osgood, was saying that the idea of black holes caught the public's attention in the 70's, and how it showed up in various places. What should appear on the screen but the Liberator! Then followed a clip from the B7 "black hole" ep, complete with Avon being a know-it-all. (I quit watching soon after, as it was so-o-o-o-o far above my head, I was getting altitude sickness. When even the scientist who is the acknowledged expert said he can postulate black holes, but can't imagine them, I retreated to the safety of Buffy.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:09:27 +1100 From: Fran Myers To: B7 Subject: [B7L] Jackie's flick Message-ID: <34BB91B7.5F26@ozemail.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Gypsy Girl (1966) > ... aka Sky West and Crooked (1966) Yup, I got the title wrong. Sorry bout that, chief. Jackie P isn't the gypsy girl of the alternate title - Hayley Mills is. Jackie's role is quite small. Yes, she was a healthy teenager - back in the days when "healthy" was a lot fatter than it is today. Fran M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 16:18:00 PST From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" To: blakes7 Subject: [B7L] Radio Play Message-ID: <34BC04F1@courier.lmu.ac.uk> Have I missed an answer? Does anyone have a current data for the Radio Play? Even the BBC drame dept. are not telling me:-(( SteveT Worried in case he will miss it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:40:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, NWOutsider wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Rhonda L Stroud wrote: > > > You raise some interesting questions. Blake just didn't seem charismatic > > enough to have such a large following if his only gripe with the Federation > > was personal. > > 8-) I've always found this really funny: within the series > Blake is supposed to be very charismatic but within fandom it's > Avon who has the followers. > Odd, isn't it? I guess it's because Avon is the cool, sardonic anti-hero, whereas a lot of people see Blake as "too nice" or "too wimpy". But if you look at his actions, rather than his manner, he's hard, ruthless and very dangerous. He just manages to keep his white hat in place while he's about it. It seems Blake fools not only his followers, but the viewers as well :-) Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:39:38 -0600 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: re[B7L] The City at the edge of the World Message-Id: <199801131740.LAA24622@pemberton.magnolia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain said: > When else would Vila get a chance to leave? *After* the mission--not leaving it flat in the middle of the thing, like a doctor deciding he doesn't want to finish an operation after the patient is already laid open. > I think Tarrant's reaction was the worst possible. Vila is willing to chuck in > his life on the liberator > to join up with his new pals. Why? Because these guys like him, whereas > his present colleagues just use him. (At least, that's the way Vila is > thinking.) Pulling a gun on him is hardly going to make him feel more > liked. I think Tarrant's reaction was the best one he could come up with under the circumstances. He'd tried reasoning, he'd tried threatening without the gun. What other recourse did he have left? Also note that Vila didn't stay with his new pals at the conclusion of the episode, though he probably could have. I have to wonder if Vila wasn't rethinking the wisdom on staying on Sardos even before Dorn bought it. > > > Thats true, that was thoughtfull of him. But it was only a very brief > > > meeting that he had with her. If she lived on board the Liberator, > > > things would have been different. I definately think he would have got > > > around to questioning her affection for Vila. > > Why should he? Tarrant can get his own girls, if he wants them. > > > That's not really the point, though, I don't think. In going for Vila, > Kerril would be implicitly saying Vila is more attractive than Tarrant. I > have a feeling our resourceful, decorative, brave, young and handsome > pilot would have a wee bit of a problem coming to terms with that. I don't see him having any problem with that at all. I see a Tarrant who is a lot more secure and mature than that. Avon, on the other hand, I can see doing a lot of sneering and snarky comments. Lorna B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:30:00 -0800 From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] "Don't try and manipulate me, Blake" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Disposition: inline I always figured that was Avon's way of keeping Blake at a distance. He was (obviously) willing to go along with Blake's plans, he just couldn't cope with being thought to be Blake's follower. Most of all, he didn't want Blake to "like" him. That would have been terrifying. Patti ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:08:15 +0100 From: "Nelly Meijerink" To: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" , "blakes7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio Play Message-Id: <199801131811.TAA09171@Njord.bart.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Taylor, Steve > > Have I missed an answer? Does anyone have a current data for the Radio > Play? Even the BBC drame dept. are not telling me:-(( > > SteveT > Worried in case he will miss it! > Well, this is what The BBC Online Radio Schedules say: Saturday 17 January Radio 4 2.30 pm Playhouse: The Sevenfold Crown By Barry Letts. Blake's 7 are back to fight their biggest battle yet. If Servalan gets hold of the Sevenfold Crown before Avon does, the Federation is in her control. With Paul Darrow, Michael Keating and Steven Pacey.Director Brian Lighthill. That's all Nelly ********************************************************** "Two birds inseparable companions perch on the same tree. One eats the fruit the other looks on. The first bird is our individual self, feeding on the pleasures and pains of this world; The other is the universal Self, silently witnessing all." Mundaka Upanishad ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:42:53 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Del Grant? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Tue 13 Jan, Matt Cherry wrote: > Just wondering if anyon's ever written a fanzine story on the future of > Del Grant after "Countdown"? I found him a fascinating characte and > would have loved to see him as a member of the Liberator crew as opposed > to Tarrant. The constant animosity between Avon and him would have been > even better that that of Blake and Avon. If someone has written a > fanzine story on Del Grant, did it answer the question of whether he > ever found out that it was Anna who betrayed Avon and that Avon > eventually really DID kill Anna? I've seen several stories in which Del Grant makes a reappearance. I introduced him to the plot line for a while in 'Nova' (which does deal with the 'Anna' question), but I'm not the only one. I'm trying desperately to remember titles of stories. There was one in a Horizon zine, and another in Gambit and I'm sure I've seen at least one or two more. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:01:51 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Steve Taylor - Radio play details Message-ID: <34BC1C8F.2C97@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Taylor, Steve [MIS] wrote: > > Have I missed an answer? Does anyone have a current data for the Radio > Play? Even the BBC drame dept. are not telling me:-(( > > SteveT > Worried in case he will miss it! This Saturday January 17th 1998. Radio 4 2.30- 4.00pm I (for one, perhaps there were more) who did not originally respond to your message because only a few messages before, the info was given out. Someone is not reading their mail- or perhaps the info was on the other list. Just to make sure you don`t miss it I`ve made your name the Subject!! Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:22:14 EST From: E van Looy To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list) Subject: Fwd: [B7L] Space Fall 2/3 Message-ID: Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_884715734_boundary" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_884715734_boundary Content-ID: <0_884715734@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sue wrote: "Compared to checking out the service shafts, thinking up the plan, getting everyone organized and motivating everyone, knocking out the computer is hardly the most important job, sweetie." I thought that was the biggest anticlimax ever when I saw that episode again a few months back. Here we have Avon, the second best (see Vila's comments) computer genius in the universe. He is going to subvert the computer of that rust bucket of a ship that is holding him prisoner and bringing him with every second closer to a miserable life on a miserable planet. And what does he do? He trips the circuitbreakers. Imagine what he could have done with *two* screwdrivers! Elise --part0_884715734_boundary Content-ID: <0_884715734@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: E van Looy Return-path: To: sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall 2/3 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:19:02 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sue wrote: "Compared to checking out the service shafts, thinking up the plan, getting everyone organized and motivating everyone, knocking out the computer is hardly the most important job, sweetie." I thought that was the biggest anticlimax ever when I saw that episode again a few months back. Here we have Avon, the second best (see Vila's comments) computer genius in the universe. He is going to subvert the computer of that rust bucket of a ship that is holding him prisoner and bringing him with every second closer to a miserable life on a miserable planet. And what does he do? He trips the circuitbreakers. Imagine what he could have done with *two* screwdrivers! Elise --part0_884715734_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:38:37 -0500 From: Ann Reckner To: B7 list Subject: RE: [B7L] "Don't try and manipulate me, Blake" Message-ID: <611CEBF3A548D111935300600833F2FC02C77A@IVYSERVE-2> Content-Type: text/plain Patti wrote: >I always figured that was Avon's way of keeping Blake at a distance. He was (obviously) willing to go along with >Blake's plans, he just couldn't cope with being thought to be Blake's follower. Most of all, he didn't want Blake to >"like" him. That would have been terrifying. >Patti --------------------------------------------- This reminded me of something I read recently in a local (Boston, MA) paper in a preview of a new adaptation of the Peter Pan story, called "Peter Pan and Wendy," which is in performance at the American Repertory Theatre in Cambridge, MA: "Beneath the adventure, the fantasy, and the romance, director Marcus Stern suggests, the Peter Pan story is about 'reaching out to people that you love or need or want, the fear that is involved in that, and the recalcitrance and reticence that comes from that fear.' He sees almost all the characters--Peter and Wendy, Mr. and Mrs. Darling, Peter and the Lost Boys, even Hook and the pirates--as reaching out tentatively and then pulling back in some fashion. 'They're both afraid that they're going to be abandoned and afraid that they're going to be embraced, and since those are basically the only two possibilities, it becomes a frightening proposition. It's just like real life.'" The idea of fear of abandonment and fear of being embraced immediately reminded me of Avon and Blake, though that may be too "squishy" an interpretation of their relationship for some fans. Ann ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:06:19 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Budget Message-ID: In message <199801122151_MC2-2F0E-D6B3@compuserve.com>, Harriet Monkhouse writes >Patrick asked: >>This must have come up before, but does >>anyone know what the budget was for B7. > >The same as for Z Cars, as I remember the producer complaining. > My memory has coughed up with a recollection of a taped interview wherein one of the actors mentioned the figure of a million pounds for the entire series - I think he was referring to the first series. As he then remarked, you wouldn't get a Star Trek trailer for that these days :-) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:31:33 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Del Grant? Message-ID: <19980113193133.37747@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 07:59:29PM -0800, Matt Cherry wrote: > Just wondering if anyon's ever written a fanzine story on the future of > Del Grant after "Countdown"? I found him a fascinating characte and > would have loved to see him as a member of the Liberator crew as opposed > to Tarrant. The constant animosity between Avon and him would have been > even better that that of Blake and Avon. If someone has written a > fanzine story on Del Grant, did it answer the question of whether he > ever found out that it was Anna who betrayed Avon and that Avon > eventually really DID kill Anna? Del Grant has turned up in a few Post-Gauda-Prime stories. He turns up in a later story in the "Jabberwocky" series, where he and Jenna pool their stories and decide they'd *really* like to kill Avon... He turns up in "Key", where there's some amusing scenes related to people trying to prevent Del Grant finding out about Anna/Bartolemew... He's turned up in other ones too. It depends on the story whether he finds out about Anna, and whether he forgives Avon for killing her (usually calling himself several kinds of idiot for not realizing that Anna was a Federation spy) or whether he wants to kill Avon for killing her. The circumstances in which he finds out are important too. I seem to remember one story (but I can't remember which one) where it's Servalan who tells Grant about his sister, and Avon tells him that Servalan is lying, not because Avon wants to protect himself, but because Avon wants to spare Grant from that knowledge. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If money grew on trees, we'd all starve. -- Kaijen, Observations -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:28:00 -0800 From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] City at the Edge of the World Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Disposition: inline I think Lorna's right about Tarrant not having a problem with Kerrill being around, except to the extent that there's one more body for which he'll feel responsible. I got a great laugh thinking about Avon's reactions, the mildest of which I could come up with was, "It's not bad enough we've got the Delta, he has to drag home an Epsilon." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:37:47 -0800 From: "J. I. Horner" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re:[B7L] Radio Times Message-ID: <34BC411B.3E5B@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The new issue of Radio Times is out today (Tuesday). It has a piece on the play which is smallish. However, it is worth mentioning that at the end of the programme listing they have the advertisment for the tape. Now at £8.99 (inc p+p) this IS 99p more than buying it through Horizon but apparently the first 100 orders received will get an autographed photo of Paul. I made my order by phone immediately but I have no idea whether I am in the first 100 I don't really know what sort of volumes these things sell in. Julie Horner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:45:10 +0000 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Radio Play, anyone taping it? Message-Id: <199801132043.OAA32030@athena.host4u.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Is anyone taping the Radio Play Saturday. I'm a rather worried US fan, who can't get access to it. I can trade or pay or something for it. Thanks Reuben reuben@reuben.net P.S. Anyone interested in Who trading should check out THE site on the web for episode/book trading http://www.reuben.net/drwho/trading.html (Yes, this is absolutley shameless self promotion) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: Claudia Marie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Spam Message-Id: <199801132148.QAA13573@shell2.tiac.net> sweh@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Stephen Harris) wrote: : Heather Smith (Heather.Smith@btinternet.com) wrote: : : Go for it! Spam from the list is really starting to bug me, the home/work : : problem wouldn't affect me, so can't comment there, but from a purely : : selfish point of view, consider me down on bended knees to you! : Spam on *this* list seems to be pretty minimal! I gateway this list onto : a local newsgroup (for threading and other clever things), and the amount : of SPAM I see here is small; less so than other lists! : It'd be a pain for me... Well, I'm torn. It'd definitely be easier for *me* for the list to be subscriber-only, though I expect there'd be an initial difficulty as machine names in addresses tend to change (I'm probably subscribed as cmarie@shell2.tiac.net, but my current From: address is cmarie@tiac.net, and I'm sure there are others who have had comparable changes). Spam is annoying to get, though in the digest you just move down past it. But there can be good reasons for people to post from an address other than the one that they are subscribed from. On the third hand, if Stephen is the only one who feels he'd be inconvenienced, then with no insult intended toward him, I'd say we should go for the cleaner, subscriber-only list. Claudia -- "Three million years in the future, the only suriving human rebel is Kerr Avon, his only companions, a creature that evolved from his pet thief, and a hologram of his dead shipmate, Gan. Additional; it has been two months since we discovered the still working ancient cloning facilities in deep space and Avon is running out of Blake's to shoot." --John McKenzie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:51:46 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Iain Coleman wrote: > Odd, isn't it? I guess it's because Avon is the cool, sardonic anti-hero, > whereas a lot of people see Blake as "too nice" or "too wimpy". But if you > look at his actions, rather than his manner, he's hard, ruthless and very > dangerous. He just manages to keep his white hat in place while he's about > it. It seems Blake fools not only his followers, but the viewers as well > :-) Some viewers, anyway. 8-) Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:13:49 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Bad News/Good News Cubed Message-ID: <19980113.150722.9815.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Good thing for Tacoma based KBTC that they showed the CORRECT episode last evening. (Or Cheryl and I would have showed up at their door this morning touting laser cannons....) "Warlord" was very good. Alas...I am happy and sad to say I have now seen all the B7 episodes that were made. < Snif> Life will never be the same again. Confirmed! Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:12:35 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Re: Upcoming excitement Message-ID: <199801132012_MC2-2F34-CE25@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jackie replied to Grace: >>I can't wait to see what kind of a >> woman Anna is, as well... > >Don`t hold your breath! She is most definitely >not the kind of woman I would associate with Avon. Depends on your imagination... I go through heavy mood swings for and against Rumours, but at the moment I mostly approve of it, and Lorna Heilbron is one of the big pluses. Strong character, attractive face, and that grin when she corners Servalan in her office Oh yes, I like her. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:14:52 -0800 From: Ovina Maria Feldman To: B7 Subject: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha Message-ID: <34BC1F9C.F7F6FD69@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So why didn't Blake go back to see if there were any others on Cygnus Alpha who wanted to join him? For that matter, he never makes any effort to recruit new crew members, not even after Gan dies. -- C progamme run. C programme crash. C programmer quit. Return to COBOL. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:25:44 +1100 (EST) From: Gordon Burgess & Carol Mason To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Del Grant? Message-Id: <199801140425.PAA27987@magna.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>On Tue 13 Jan, Matt Cherry wrote: >>> Just wondering if anyon's ever written a fanzine story on the future of >>> Del Grant after "Countdown"? Judith wrote: >>I've seen several stories in which Del Grant makes a reappearance. I >>introduced him to the plot line for a while in 'Nova' (which does deal with >>the 'Anna' question), but I'm not the only one. I'm trying desperately to >>remember titles of stories. There was one in a Horizon zine, and another in >>Gambit and I'm sure I've seen at least one or two more. >> >>Judith >> >>-- Del Grant also appeared prominently in the zine series called "New Horizons" As far as I know there was about thirteen chapters/episodes ( whatever) to the series and Del Grant appeared in at least a third of them if memory serves. Catch you later, Carol "Hondo". Take care, Peace be with you, Carol "Hondo" Mason "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity" "Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film" "Friends may come and go, but enemies tend to accumlate" "If you can't convince them, confuse them" "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:08:12 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Get into the pay per call industry for FREE Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Tue 13 Jan, Calle Dybedahl wrote: > Judith Proctor writes: > > > Although I loathe spam, I have mixed feelings about baning non members from > > posting. > > It works more like a filter. Anything coming from a non-member is > passed on to the maintainer address instead of to the list (optionally > with a notice returned to the sender). So if something relevant comes > from a non-member I can forward it. > > Should be good enough for what you mention, don't you think? Done that way, it sounds excellent. I'm all for it. Apart from being irritating, spam adds to my phone bill. Junk mail through my door is bad enough. Junk mail that I pay for is insufferable. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #12 *************************************