From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #51 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/51 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Dr. Love [B7L] Trains from Manchester Airport to Stoke Re: [B7L] Re: Power [B7L] Redemption t-shirts [B7L] A question and something I forgot. Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown [B7L] - online rail information Re: [B7L] - online rail information Re: [B7L] Assorted comments Re: [B7L] Character morality Re: [B7L] Safety Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic Re: [B7L] Character morality Re: [B7L] Avon Morals Re: [B7L] Character morality Re: [B7L] Safety Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic Re: [B7L] Character morality [B7L] Avon and Vila Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic [B7L] Dr. Who Scripts page Re: [B7L] Deliverance [B7L] Re: Power [B7L] Re: On My Mind [B7L] Re: On My Mind Re: [B7L] Page 29/Double takes Re: [B7L] Character morality Re: [B7L] Character morality [B7L] Re: Safety [B7L] Re: Dr Love Re: [B7L] Character morality Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila [B7L] Vila and Plagues ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:38:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Dr. Love Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I couldn't resist consulting the wisdom of Dr Love. For the female characters, the good doctor reckons my chances are Dayna 87% Cally 74% Jenna 69% Soolin 39% Servalan 23% Hmmm, I'm a bit surprised at Dayna scoring so highly, but otherwise Dr Love seems pretty much on the money - and the low ranking of Servalan indicates a good dose of realism, I'm sorry to say. I also tried the male characters. Only two of them came out ahead of all the females: Travis, just beating Dayna with 88%, and, way out ahead with a whopping 95% ..... Gan! Oh dear. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:10:26 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] Trains from Manchester Airport to Stoke Message-ID: <199802170610_MC2-33A2-D3C3@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was a bit startled to see that the Deliverance Progress Report says it's "a fair way" from Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly and recommends taking a taxi direct to Stoke instead. OK, I'm a puritan who thinks taking a taxi is a mortal sin unless (a) no public transport is available (b) I have at least three suitcases. Still, even a taxi from the airport to Piccadilly (and actually, if I were taking a taxi, I might go to Stockport, one stop down the line, instead) is a fraction of the distance from Heathrow to Euston, which is recommended (never mind Gatwick. My blood runs a little cold at the thought of taking a taxi from Gatwick to Euston). But the point is that it's NOT NECESSARY to take a taxi (except, perhaps, from Stoke station to the Moat House). Those nice chaps at British Rail (pre-privatisation) built us a rail link from Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly, not to mention to a lot of other stations. I confess Stoke is not one of those direct line destinations. But the train ride is only 20 minutes from the airport to Piccadilly (usually six trains an hour) and then 40 minutes from Piccadilly to Stoke (probably a couple of trains an hour). Depending on the terminal, the airport station is five minutes' walk from the Arrivals barrier or five minutes' airport bus ride. It really couldn't be easier - my sister usually arrives at my house (midway between airport and Piccadilly) about half an hour after the plane touches down. AND IT'S ONLY 14.50 FOR A RETURN TICKET TO STOKE (I just rang to check). If you can find a taxi from the airport to Stoke for 20 quid, as quoted by Horizon, good luck to you, but that's 40 for the return trip. Even adding on a few pounds for a taxi from Stoke station to the Moat Hotel, public transport is a lot cheaper, if slightly slower. Harriet PS Seats on Intercity trains are not as plentiful as I've known them, but I can usually find something to sit on, even at peak hours. In other words, don't panic if you can't book in advance as suggested. And not all companies offer discounts if you book early - I'm currently stamping my foot with annoyance because Regional Railways North East won't reduce the fare of 44.70 Manchester to Newcastle on a Friday even though I'm a month in advance of Neutral Zone. PPS There are supposed to be railway timetables on the net at http://www.railtrack.co.uk. I think I did try them once, but found them a little uninventive in offering alternatives and non-direct routes. Maybe that's what threw the Deliverance committee? Still, you could try them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:59:52 -0000 From: Ian Lay To: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Power Message-ID: <01bd3b93$2cacdf00$407a0439@Ian_Lay.es.lon.sita.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Narrelle wrote: >>"Have you ever seen a Nuclear Compression Charge go off? Everything gets >>sucked in. Looks good....... from a distance." >> >>I'm sorry but that has to be one of Vila's best lines, if not his best one. > >And that lovely bit of muddle-headedness later with something like: "Have >you ever seen a mini black hole go off? It looks just like a nuclear >compression charge." Then says he always babbles when he's nervous. Indeed. It makes you think why he doesn't babble more often..... or maybe he does! :-) And trust me to get the quote wrong in the first place. Call yourself a fan Ian??!!! :-) BTW since I have been on this list for a few weeks now and sent the odd message I suppose I better introduce myself. My name is Ian Lay and I live in Hounslow in West London. I have been a Blake's 7 fan from the first series. Though as I was only 8 when the programme first aired, I don't remember the first episdoe I saw. Since then I have been a great fan of the series. I have all the videos and a number of the books. It is difficult to pick favourite episodes (I like virtually every episode), but the following have special moments which make them special for me (in no particular order): Gold ( I like it because of its humour) The Way Back (For obvious reasons) Mission to Destiny (A simple episode, but I can't help but go back to it) Pressure Point (A pivitol episode) Killer (An excellant Avon/Vila episode) Gambit (Another good Avon/Vila episode... also with that lovely Avon choking/spitting scene) Orbit (Simple but effective..... again (yawn) another good Vila/Avon episode Star One & Aftermath & Powerplay (Lots of nice Zen stuff, plus bits of the Liberator we don't see that often) And there are others... but those are the ones that stand out for me as I'm thinking now......as for a real favourite..... okey you've twisted my arm..... and It may be a little unexpected but..... I think I like Gold the best. Mainly because I laught so much when that terrible music comes on!!! Take care, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Ian "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" Lay //// :-) \\\\ Watford Internet Football Club Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:31:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Redemption t-shirts Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 I'm just about to print up a batch of t-shirts for Redemption for those helping on the stand at Delivernace. The design (drawn by Kathryn Andersen) is Liberator fighting a B5 shadow. It's white on a black background and looks rather striking. (You can see it on the convention web page) We're doing these primarily for helpers, but if anyone else wants one, they can have one for seven pounds as long as they let me know their t-shirt size by Thursday morning UK time. I'll bring it along to the convention. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:05:32 -0000 From: Ian Lay To: "Blake's 7 List" Subject: [B7L] A question and something I forgot. Message-ID: <01bd3b93$f6ddbc40$407a0439@Ian_Lay.es.lon.sita.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgot to add on my last message that my favourite characters are Avon and Vila. And I actually did like the book Afterlife. Though I know many did not. As I recall there was going to be another book after Afterlife. Did that ever get off the ground? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Ian "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" Lay //// :-) \\\\ Watford Internet Football Club Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:35:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 I know Gareth wants to be in the next radio play if they do another one, because I was talking to him about it the last time I saw him at a convention. To be honest, I think he was a little upset that they hadn't asked him to be in the first one. He's done two audio plays playing Blake for Horizon now, so he's certainly willing to return to the part. It's a long time since the days when Gareth wanted to be free of Blake. He's no worries about typecasting these days. You only have to look at his section of my web page to see what I mean. I'm just adding pictures from London's Burning and Heartbeat for the next upload. As Brian Lighthill commented in his internet chat, his natural preference is for the 4th season as that's what he directed in the original series. If you want Blake back, you're going to have to write and ask. Don't expect everyone else to do it. If you're either a Blake fan, or if you share my affection for a certain Welshman, please write to Brian c/o Diane and say that you'd like to hear Blake once more. Please... Pretty please with a cherry on top... Judith PS. And while you're at it, why not look up who wrote your favourite episodes of the original series (excluding the late Terry Nation and Robert Holmes) and suggest them as a possible scriptwriter (unless, of course, you think that Barry Letts is brilliant). The odds are high that your favourites will include a Chris Boucher episode. On Mon 16 Feb, Patricia Roberts wrote: > > Diane of Horizon has asked me to pass on the following. > > Diane was talking to Brian Lighthill the other day and he has asked > her to pass on all the comments from the fans about the radio play > (preferably constructive ones on what they liked and didn't like, and > what they'd like to see next time, not just "that was crap!" or such, > obviously!!! > > So if people would like to send their letters to her at the club > address, or e-mail her at diane@horizon.org.uk with the subject > heading "Sevenfold Crown - to the BBC", she'll know you want your > comments passed on. > > Let's hope that we will get more radio plays in the future. > > Pat > > patricia.roberts@lmco.com > > -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 12:11:00 PST From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" To: blakes7 Subject: [B7L] - online rail information Message-ID: <34E9F02C@courier.lmu.ac.uk> In England! http://www.railtrack.co.uk/travel/index.html SteveT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:32:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] - online rail information Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Taylor, Steve [MIS] wrote: > > In England! And, indeed, the whole of Britain. > http://www.railtrack.co.uk/travel/index.html I use this often: it's very good. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:18:33 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Assorted comments Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 Susan.Moore@uni.edu wrote: > Susan "my goal in life is to get asteriks by my name on Sue Clerc's web page" > M. The few, the proud, the ***'d. I've heard from a reliable source that bribes of chocolate often prove effective...but, Susan, you're a repeat offender and needn't worry--you have proven *** potential. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 AChevron@aol.com wrote: > well, the leather DOES lend a certain appeal:) But I'll stand by my > consideration that Avon was the smarter man in this situation. Or at least > Blake could have come to a compromise. Servalan, is, after all, a worthwhile > military target. Avon's idea was to let her land and get destroyed by the > virus. Within a couple of hours any ships that landed would have been > crewless. I think Blake's argument was that there was a good chance that a ship carrying the virus could get off the planet and carry the plague out to the rest of the galaxy. The crew members themselves don't even have to know they have the virus when they leave (Gambril and Bellfriar took a long time to get it and Tynus, Avon, and Vila were unaffected), it's airborne--some air getting into a ship that lands and killing the crew after they've left Fosforon would be enough. Another ship picks the corpses up and that crew is exposed, and so on. If the ships have mutoids or an automatic docking procedure, they could infect a space station or another planet... > Liberator could have hung out nearby and picked off a stray ship, > THEN posted the quarantine warning. I doubt that Avon would have objected. But > Blake doesn't even consider any alternatives. After all, this IS a military > base, apparantly with minimal traffic. The odds the the disease ever getting > off-world were small to start with, and a couple of quick steps would have > minimized that risk. Ummmm...They know that Avon's buddy has sent a message to Servalan that they're there. They have no way of knowing how many ships she's going to send to come after them or when they'll arrive. > I think part of my annoyance with Blake here is that I keep thinking > Servalan managed to get a sample of the bug and ended up using it on Auron, > making Blake an unwitting accomplice to genocide. Just like her to twist > Blake's "good deed". At last the truth can be told: Blake, although not present at the time, or even indirectly linked by the most circumstantial of evidence, is also responsible for ebola, AIDS, smallpox, and that virus spread by unsanitized telephones in Hitch-hiker's Guide. Probably plantar's warts and every mutation of the flu, as well, the bastard. The plague on Fosforon brings people out in nasty boils, makes them spastic, and destroys the memory. The plague on Auron makes people hot and sweaty and drool lemon pudding after they die. One of the Federation's only growth industries and technological marvels seems to be its ability to whip up new deadly brews ("Time Squad," "Project Avalon," to name two). There's also the Phobon plague Vila mentions in "Shadow." There's no reason for her to mess with a nasty, uncontrollable, uncurable alien virus when her scientists can cook up something that's safe for her to handle and kill others with. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:05:33 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: <199802171405.JAA11401@yfn.ysu.edu> Sam Blume wrote: >This is my first post after lurking for a couple of months. Welcome to the fray. :) >Who's crew would I rather be part of? Blake. Definitely Blake. Why? >Because I'd like to live to see my next birthday and the numbers show >that I'm more likely to be puffing at candles next June if Blake's >the leader: one man lost v. seven or nine if you count the computers. >Orac managed to survive Avon but not much else did. Just to keep things fair, Blake's body count was a tad higher than that. We have Jenna, Klyn, the technician Soolin shot, Deva, and any other of Blake's people who were killed when the Federation popped by for a spot of mayhem. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:10:46 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic Message-ID: <199802171410.JAA11788@yfn.ysu.edu> Deborah wrote: >"An oak-pin for moi? Yippee!! Now to write some dirty smutty stuff and get the >cluster to go with it....:)" Oh sure, you make happy noises about getting an oak leaf. Where was that "Yippee" when a Tarrant Nostra button was mentioned? Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:03:04 -0000 From: Ian Lay To: NWOutsider , "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: <01bd3bac$c401ade0$407a0439@Ian_Lay.es.lon.sita.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sue wrote: There's also the Phobon plague Vila mentions >in "Shadow." There's no reason for her to mess with a nasty, >uncontrollable, uncurable alien virus when her scientists can cook up >something that's safe for her to handle and kill others with. Sorry to be pedantic (and probably incorrect !!), but wasn't it Zen who mentioned the Phobon plague whilst he was analyzing the Shadow. The quote was somthing along the lines of ".....and incorrectly referred to as the Phobon Plague". I don't remember Vila mentioning it... but I may be wrong. Ian "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" Lay //// :-) \\\\ Watford Internet Football Club Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:56:42 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon Morals Message-ID: <199802171456.JAA14173@yfn.ysu.edu> Pat P wrote: >yes! yes! Avon can laugh at himself. And often does. When he fails, he >laughs at his own false pride and mental arrogance. I think this is why >we forgive Avon his follies but take Tarrant to task. I just can't see >Tarrant able to laugh at himself. However, this is frequently a >characteristic of age. The young are rarely able to see the silly sad >irony of life the way elders can. So I don't blame Tarrant for this >inability. I blame his youth. (oh, Tarrant is young, brave, handsome...) I don't think it's a characteristic of age as much as it is a characteristic of self confidence. I know many young people who can laugh at their mistakes. But, granted, some people don't attain that degree of self confidence until they are more mature. Back to Tarrant (who had enough self confidence for two people)... he had a wonderful, self-depreciating sense of humor. He and Avon were very much alike on that score: when things were bleak, they were inclined to humor. But a lot of fans miss Tarrant's humor because they are watching Avon and also because Tarrant's humor was low- keyed and very dry (and delivered with deadpan perfection by Pacey). Here are some of my favorite Tarrant humor moments. I'll start with humor when the situation looks pretty grim. VOLCANO--Bershar has just turned Dayna, Tarrant and their teleport bracelets over to the Federation troopers led by Mori. Mori looks at all the teleport bracelets and says: MORI: Four? BERSHAR: They were recruiting. TARRANT: You weren't quite what we had in mind. Two examples of self depreciating humor, showing that Tarrant is not a guy who takes himself too seriously. From HARVEST OF KAIROS: VILA: Are you sure you can dock this thing? TARRANT: I hadn't really considered it. VILA: What? TARRANT: I thought we'd be dead by now. And from RESCUE: Tarrant: All pilot systems are green. Count is two minutes and running. Better strap down tight. I haven't lifted these into orbit too often. Dayna: How often? Tarrant: Once. Vila: When was that? Tarrant: In about one minute and forty five seconds. Then the very poignant humor of DEATH-WATCH: TARRANT: He should have killed him when he had the chance. [Smiles a sickly smile] Deeta never was very practical. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:53:13 EST From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: <26675123.34e9a45b@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-17 08:40:31 EST, you write: << At last the truth can be told: Blake, although not present at the time, or even indirectly linked by the most circumstantial of evidence, is also responsible for ebola, AIDS, smallpox, and that virus spread by unsanitized telephones in Hitch-hiker's Guide. Probably plantar's warts and every mutation of the flu, as well, the bastard. >> You forgot syphyllis! honestly, I do rather like the big lunk, it's just that sometimes he is aggrevatingly pious. And to spread a disease across large volumes of space is an extremely difficult proposition. Assuming the events of Killer took place over a period of 12 hours, as you pointed out it still hadn't achieved a 100% infection rate. In a spacecraft I imagine the time would be shorter, if the bug isn't eliminated by the "scrub" units for the air. Figuring that it's a minimum of 10 hours to the nearest planet, there is enough time for the crew to be killed before another planet is infected. Plus Liberator can send a warning message after a few hours to warn any would-be resquers of the dangers, leaving Servalan hopefully dead. Not a sure bet, but a lot less likely to kill large numbers of civilians than blowing up Control was. I am merely pointing out Blake's contridictory attitudes here. As for if the Auron virus is the same as Killer, it is just a supposition on my part. The speed with which it infects and kills, the sores that appear on the Auron victims, the fact both of are of " alien pathogen" are some supporting evidence. The Federation could have altered the pathogen to give slightly different symptoms. Or as you pointed out the Fed could have as easily devised this nasty little bit on their own. Just speculation; I'll defend my thesis but I'm not bound to it by dogma. Thanks for the challenging and well-organized response though, Sue. Deborah Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:13:26 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: <34E9A916.6C37@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ust to keep things fair, Blake's body count was a tad higher than that. > We have Jenna, Klyn, the technician Soolin shot, Deva, and any > other of Blake's people who were killed when the Federation > popped by for a spot of mayhem. > Like all of Blake's followers who got nailed by Travis the first time around when he lay in wait. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:59:07 EST From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-17 09:08:40 EST, you write: << Oh sure, you make happy noises about getting an oak leaf. Where was that "Yippee" when a Tarrant Nostra button was mentioned? Carol McCoy >> Well(hanging head in shame that I've upset you), it just that it would seem inappropriate, somehow, to accept a TN button when I have impugned Tarrant's character from time to time(not that I'm retracting most of those comments). Besides, I smell a trap if I accept a button... D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:13:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 AChevron@aol.com wrote: > Liberator can send a warning message after a few hours to warn any would-be > resquers of the dangers, leaving Servalan hopefully dead. Not a sure bet, but > a lot less likely to kill large numbers of civilians than blowing up Control > was. I am merely pointing out Blake's contridictory attitudes here. You're missing something very important. Blake isn't interested in killing Servalan (or Travis). That wouldn't achieve anything: someone else would judt fill their shoes, and that replacement would be just as nasty. It's the whole structure of the Federation that Blake's fighting, and all his actions are working to bring that structure down. Servalan isn't the problem: Servalan's office is. You can argue about whether the attack on Star One was justified (I'm sure one or two people have discussed it occasionally), but there's no contradiction here. Destroying Star One will bring down the Federation, and Blake is (rightly or wrongly) willing to be responsible for collatoral damage to achieve that goal. Risking the spread of a horrific disease throughout the Galaxy in order to kill one individual who will be replaced by a similar figure just isn't in the same league. Iain ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 1998 08:41:47 -0800 From: "Kinkade.Carol" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon and Vila Message-ID: >Lisa wrote: >Actually, we *don't* know that Avon is an Alpha; there's been quite a bit >of fan speculation and debate on that point. I seem to vaguely recall a scene where Vila is talking to (Gan, I think) as Avon and Blake are walking away and Vila says, "They're Alphas, what do you expect?" That indicated to me that Avon is an Alpha. Although, I do like the speculation someone had that Avon was actually born a Beta and after testing was promoted to Alpha, hence his defensive and paranoid attitude. Carol (AVON RULES!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:07:36 -0000 From: Ian Lay To: "Kinkade.Carol" , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila Message-ID: <01bd3bc6$8bc133a0$407a0439@Ian_Lay.es.lon.sita.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol wrote: >I seem to vaguely recall a scene where Vila is talking to (Gan, I think) as Avon >and Blake are walking away and Vila says, "They're Alphas, what do you expect?" I don't remember that scene. Does anyone know which episode it comes from? Ian "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" Lay //// :-) \\\\ Watford Internet Football Club Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:20:43 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic Message-ID: <199802171720.MAA20670@yfn.ysu.edu> Deborah wrote: > Well(hanging head in shame that I've upset you), It's true, I've been pouting all morning. ;-) >Besides, I smell a trap if I accept a button... A trap? Moi? Well, maybe a small one. But it wouldn't have taken you very long to write three Tarrant stories and construct a third season diorama out of toothpicks. Really... Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:56:54 -0600 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: Cc: Subject: [B7L] Dr. Who Scripts page Message-ID: <003201bd3bcd$72bfd170$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can't find the original post, but someone asked what the address of the Dr. Who scripts page was. http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Union/BTS/Scripts/intro.html This contains the complete scripts of many of the misssing episodes, including The Web of Fear. Reuben reuben@reuben.net http://www.reuben.net/drwho/ http://www.reuben.net/blake/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:04:36 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance Message-ID: In message , AChevron@aol.com writes >In a message dated 98-02-16 17:27:10 EST, you write: > ><< for lil ole me can't you? You don't want a 53 year old, overweight, > >white-haired Welshman... > > > > > Wanna bet? > -- > Julia Jones > >> > > Judith, you've done too good a job at defending/extolling/praising the >lad!... > Actually I met Gareth at the first con I ever went to (he was the reason I went to it), several months before I met Judith, and several more months before getting a net connection. He's loverly. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:21:51 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Re: Power Message-ID: <199802171322_MC2-33A8-32C8@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Narrelle said: >Pella need not exemplify 'women' in this story - >she was a liar, intent on personal power and >had clearly intended all along to try to steal the >Scorpio, and this is a perfectly valid piece of >characterisation. Oh, time for me to do my defence of Pella again. The last few minutes of Power really wreck the characterisation of Pella. I don't believe a word Avon (or Steed) says, and I find it awfully difficult to believe in her shooting Kate... Until her confrontation in the Hommik base, I believe Pella's object is to preserve the Seska - all three of them. And by the time there are only three of them, using Scorpio to get off the planet is the best alternative to defeat and subjugation. She doesn't turn nasty with Vila until he grabs her arm (unaware of the overtones that would carry for a Seska). She kills the odd Hommik - of course, they're her mortal enemies - during her raid on the base to rescue Luxia (for whom she expresses genuine concern) and Avon (the Seskas' last hope of getting at Scorpio). And then she meets Nina, and finds her heroine is not merely the wife of a Hommik but actually performing operations to deprive Seska of their powers. This is Pella's Gauda Prime. Up to that point, she is clearly redeemable. If I had any doubts, the manner in which she tells Nina that Avon's crew are good people who can help the Seska would convince me. But Nina soundly rejects her, and has already demonstrated her betrayal of everything she once stood for by operating on Luxia. Reverting to Gauda Prime, she was extremely lucky that Pella didn't kill her there and then. As it is, despair tips Pella over the edge: if Nina can't be trusted, no one can, certainly not this Hommik in Dorian's clothing who immediately imposes his will on her by physical force. From that moment, self-preservation is all she has left. If Avon had been the sort of person to say "actually, the reason why we need that crystal is that it's essential to my plan to get all of us away from Xenon, and you can carry it back to base yourself if you insist", we might still have had one new crew member. And I really love Hammond Hill. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:52:50 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: On My Mind Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That message was from Pat on the B7 list. Didn't you see the original message? I couldn't miss it! I posted the rest on Saturday, so if you haven't gone back since then you probably didn't see it. As far as I know it shows up now, so go check it out... I hope you feel better soon! Grace Robbins robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:54:54 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: On My Mind Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oops! I meant to send that last message just to Jennifer Becker! My mistake! Sorry, Jennifer....sorry, list inhabitants... Grace ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:08:03 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Page 29/Double takes Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Received from Judith and forwarded with her permission: >On Mon 16 Feb, Nicola Collie wrote: >> Julia: >> >Now do you understand why several *con* reports from last year's Neutral >> >Zone (first public sighting - and signing - of The Inside Story) >> >mentioned this page in particular? >> Absolutely, although I have no recollection of seeing any of these con >>reports. > >Read my web page. I keep a supply of con reports there, partly because >they're >fun to read in their own right and partly because they are hopefully >helpful to >people trying to decide whether to go to a convention in the future. > > >> >One of my fondest memories of that con is Judith Proctor very close to >> >literally ROFL, waving an open copy and giggling hysterically. Rapidly >> >followed by several other purchasers on seeing what she was laughing at. > >I remember that moment well. For anyone who hasn't seen the picture in >question, it's a snapshot taken during the series, of Gareth, dressed as >Blake, >waggling his fingers from his ears and rolling his eyeballs. It's a scream. > >Judith >-- >http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 > >Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention >26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent >http://www.smof.com/redemption/ --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:30:05 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Ian Lay wrote: > Sorry to be pedantic (and probably incorrect !!), but wasn't it Zen who > mentioned the Phobon plague whilst he was analyzing the Shadow. The quote > was somthing along the lines of ".....and incorrectly referred to as the > Phobon Plague". I don't remember Vila mentioning it... but I may be wrong. Was it? Damn. Then when was Vila talking about plagues...it wasn't the line in "Killer" about not liking them because the next minute you're dead that I was thinking of but something else. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 AChevron@aol.com wrote: > You forgot syphyllis! 8-) As soon as I was away from my keyboard I did a classic Homer Simpson "D'oh!" and realized I should've added "Oh my God, he killed Kenny! The bastard!" 8-) honestly, I do rather like the big lunk, it's just > that sometimes he is aggrevatingly pious. And to spread a disease across large > volumes of space is an extremely difficult proposition. Assuming the events of > Killer took place over a period of 12 hours, as you pointed out it still > hadn't achieved a 100% infection rate. In a spacecraft I imagine the time > would be shorter, if the bug isn't eliminated by the "scrub" units for the > air. Figuring that it's a minimum of 10 hours to the nearest planet, there is > enough time for the crew to be killed before another planet is infected. I don't think it's established that the host has to be alive to transmit the virus...the reason the rescue team from Fosforon didn't catch it from the mummy was that they were wearing space suits. It came alive to get other people into the room with the doctor and spread the disease (instead of the likely response of sealing off the room if the doctor got the virus and died without a mummy trying to strangle him). Btw, that body has got to be one of THE most unappetizing effects...just try eating pizza during that episode. > Plus > Liberator can send a warning message after a few hours to warn any would-be > resquers of the dangers, leaving Servalan hopefully dead. Not a sure bet, but > a lot less likely to kill large numbers of civilians than blowing up Control > was. I am merely pointing out Blake's contridictory attitudes here. But I don't think it's contradictory to want to destroy Star One to free millions and not want to unleash an uncontrollable virus to kill one person who will be replaced next week. The aims and the means are totally different--the only common factor is that we don't know how many people would be eventually touched. At least with Star One, you can guess that there are safety measures that cut in on individual planets and the results can be contained. > Thanks for the challenging > and well-organized response though, Sue. Hey, no problem, I'm just sitting here watching the yard flood and listening to the sump pump. 8-) Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:13:43 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: [B7L] Re: Safety Message-ID: <01BD3BEC.AE770C00@host5-99-51-249.btinternet.com> >>Louise said >. But if I were a close friend I'd probably >> trust Avon more, if I were a more casual acquaintance I'd put my faith in > >Blake 8-) >You mean like Vila and Gan in Orbit and Breakdown? >Jennifer Yes, exactly like that. Avon was all for taking the short cut to save Gan and came up with the means to do it. It was only when he figured out that _all_ the crew were extremely likely to die that he backtracked. As for Orbit, Avon saw that as an "either/or" situation and as soon as he found an alternative he leapt at it. I've said this before (though maybe not on this list) - you cannot ask anyone to die for you. It may be nice if there is someone in your life who would be prepared to, but you absolutely cannot _expect_ it of them. That's just asking too damn much. Louise ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:49:00 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Dr Love Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I did the test with my name and here are the results: Blake: 99% Gan: 86% Travis: 79% Tarrant: 68% Avon: 45% Vila: 24% I was absolutely disapointed about the low score with Avon, very suprised with Blake's. I was completely flabbergasted with Travis' score! Tarrant's is pretty much on track. I also did some other calculations: Roj Blake and Jenna Stannis: 69% Kerr Avon and Jenna Stannis: 93% Kerr Avon and Cally: 97% Wow! What does that say about the Avon/Cally relationship? Grace Robbins robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:45:23 -0000 From: Ian Lay To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: <01bd3bed$59958120$f2dadec2@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sue wrote: >On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Ian Lay wrote: > >> Sorry to be pedantic (and probably incorrect !!), but wasn't it Zen who >> mentioned the Phobon plague whilst he was analyzing the Shadow. The quote >> was somthing along the lines of ".....and incorrectly referred to as the >> Phobon Plague". I don't remember Vila mentioning it... but I may be wrong. > > Was it? Damn. Then when was Vila talking about plagues...it wasn't >the line in "Killer" about not liking them because the next minute you're >dead that I was thinking of but something else. > Honestly don't know off the top of my head. I'll put me thinking cap on.... and video recorder on play... and see if I can work it out. ------------------------------------------------------------- Ian "If I could spell I would be dangerust" Lay /// :-) \\\ Watford Internet Football Club ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:22:34 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Lay asked: > Carol wrote: > >> I seem to vaguely recall a scene where Vila is talking to (Gan, I think) >> as Avon and Blake are walking away and Vila says, "They're Alphas, what >> do you expect?" > > I don't remember that scene. Does anyone know which episode it comes > from? Ah, my magic grepper (looking for the word "Alpha") tells me that Carol was half-right. The actual lines (from Shadow) are: VILA: You don't know them. CALLY: Well, I know Blake. VILA: Thinks of himself as a hard man. Hard? He's strictly a fluffy-cheeked amateur compared to those boys. CALLY: I think Blake can look after himself. VILA: He's led a very sheltered life. CALLY: What, Blake has led a sheltered life? VILA: Look, he was an Alpha grade on Earth. A highly privileged group, the Alphas. Wouldn't last five minutes among the Delta service grades where I grew up. And it's the service grades where the Terra Nostra really operate. Without anesthetic, usually. Now, Vila doesn't actually say whether Avon's an alpha, and he's referring to Blake's madcap scheme of enlisting the Terra Nostra's help, but you could stretch it to include Avon, if you tried. I think Avon is certainly an Alpha in the crews' eyes, whatever his ID card might have said. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:15:35 -0000 From: Ian Lay To: "Blake's 7 list" , NWOutsider Subject: [B7L] Vila and Plagues Message-ID: <01bd3bf1$91d11dc0$f2dadec2@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sue wrote: > Was it? Damn. Then when was Vila talking about plagues...it wasn't >the line in "Killer" about not liking them because the next minute you're >dead that I was thinking of but something else. Remembered it now....It was in the Children of Auron.... Avon contacts Liberator. Vila is on watch but takes time to reply as he has space helmet on. Avon asks where he was. Vila: "Precautions" Avon: "Against what?" Vila: "Plague!" Was that what you were thinking of Sue? ------------------------------------------------------------- Ian "If I could spell I would be dangerust" Lay /// :-) \\\ Watford Internet Football Club ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #51 *************************************