From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #7 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/7 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: Re: re:[B7l] re Blakes Motives Re: Re:[B7L] Harvest of Kairos Re: Re:[B7L] Hostage silliness Newcomer alert Newcomer alert Re: Re[B7L] email junkie Re: Re[B7L] Quote request [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 Web Ring. [B7L] Re: Dorian Crew Re: [B7L] Slash debate [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 Web Ring. (fwd) re[B7L]: Jackie and Purdie re[B7L] Og/Gan re:[B7L] re Blakes Motives Re: [B7L] jackie and purdie re[B7L]: re Quote Request [B7L] Search Engines Re: [B7L] Search Engines [B7L] Sherlock Holmes [B7L] videos Re: re:[B7l] re Blakes Motives Re: [B7L] Slash debate Re: [B7l] re Blakes Motives [B7L] That Volcano Look (was Re: Harvest of Kairos) Re: [B7L] Search Engines Re: [B7L] Slash debate Re: [B7L] jackie and purdie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:06:58 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: re:[B7l] re Blakes Motives Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Slowly catching up on the Christmas backlog... Judith wrote: > However, I tend to regard debate as a form of > entertainment and will thus take any side of an argument if given sufficient > incentive. (The Who's 7 before that, I spent a similar enjoyable hour > trying to prove that the crew were 100% heterosexual). I think of debates like this, too. Keeps the wits sharp, too. But other people just say I like arging. There may be a grain of truth in what they say, but that's not going to stop me disagreeing with them :-) Back to Judith, the script, and B7: > > BLAKE: Tarrant doesn't understand! > > AVON: Neither do I, Blake! > > BLAKE: I set all this up! > > Which is the last thing he would say if it really was a set-up to capture > Avon. Unfortunately, of course, Blake doesn't realise that when Avon hears the words "set" and "up" in close proximity, he gets a very twitchy trigger finger. In the cold light of day, Avon might well have realised what Blake _really_ meant, but as Judith has said (and I agree), Avon was not a stress-free puppy. > > > AVON: Yes! > > BLAKE: [starts forward again] Avon, I was waiting for YOU. > > This is where we see Blake, the real Blake, as opposed to the cynical man > that he'd become. He wanted his friend. He wanted to believe that he could > have the past again. If he had Avon with him, he had hope again. Unfortunately, Avon has just heard Blake say that not only did he set up a trap, but it was aimed specifically at Avon. Egotistical, maybe, but that's Avon for you (with some justification, mind you). And now Blake's sodding GLOATING. Guess what happens to people who gloat at Avon... > > [Avon brings the gun around and fires. Blake is visibly > > hit. Avon fires again. Blake continues his approach, and > > Avon fires a third time. Blake stops, but is still standing. > > Avon swings the gun up to point at Blake's face. As his knees > > begin to buckle, Blake grabs Avon's arms.] A few seconds later, after Blake doesn't react quite the way Avon was expecting a scumbag traitor to, Avon rewinds his mental video and re-watches that scene again. And he realises what Blake really meant. But it's a little late now. And then he grins madly. So he's either gone completely fruit-loop, or he's decided to play his final card and make sure they don't take him alive. Which is pretty close to bonkers, I suppose. That man has got to learn to relax more. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:29:36 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: Re:[B7L] Harvest of Kairos Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julie Horner wrote: > I have recently watched 'Harvest of Kairos' for the first time. Given > some of the things I have read about this episode I was prepared to > be a bit underwhelmed. However, silly spider creature apart I thought > it was not at all bad. So the use of lunar module to carry 5 people off a planet with at least 0.9G (as opposed to the 2 it was designed to carry, off an airless planet with 0.2G, and then only to reach a low orbit) didn't strike you as having a high hide-behind-the-couch-not-because-its-scary-but-from-sheer-embarrassment quotient then? Or the utter rubbish about the semi-sentient rock? And exactly why didn't the people on the Liberator just look at the Lunar Lander on the screen and say "Oh - it's a Lunar Lander, circa 1969. Sod the historical interest, blat it!" It is almost as silly an episode as "Hostage", which I recently re-watched. Handy hint - if you're going to get confused as to exactly which henchman is where, which ones are dead, etc (always happens, especially with B7's shooting and editing schedule), try and make sure the costume department makes all the costumes the same, rather than colour-coding them nicely, so we can all chuckle at Mr. Yellow getting killed twice (once by simply falling down a big cliff that he just, somehow, completely failed to see, and walked off the edge of), then reappearing again before suddenly transforming into Mr. Red, and Mr. Orange first duplicating himself, then both copies vanishing into thin air without anybody killing him at all. It's also just not the done thing to have our heroic protagonists Blake and Avon cowering beneath blaster fire for the whole of the fight sequence, while Blake's poor, wizened old uncle beats the hordes of young, burly psychopaths to a pulp armed only with a tree branch. Tom Forsyth. (cool - only 509 unread messages now - that'll teach me to take a week off email over Christmas) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:16:37 +0100 (MET) From: gwr@easynet.co.uk (Gareth Randall) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Re:[B7L] Hostage silliness Message-Id: <199801080116.CAA21105@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >we can all chuckle at Mr. Yellow getting killed twice... What *really* makes me chuckle is the way the henchmen run away from the tumbling polystyrene rocks, waving their arms in the air in classic comedy fashion. It's now impossible for me to watch that scene without shouting "Run away! Run away!" in a Graham-Chapman-playing-King-Arthur voice... Gareth http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gwr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:31:59 PST From: "Matt Cherry" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: Newcomer alert Message-ID: <19980108023159.18150.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Good evening everyone! My name's Matt and I'm a 20 year old broadcast journalism major at Temple University in Philadelphia, PA, USA. Just writing to say hi and introduce myself. I wa thrilled when i found out there was a mailing list of people who love discussing this ground breaking, intelligent British sci-fi show with the greatest set of characters around. I was first introduced to Blake's 7 by an ex girlfriend about 5 years ago. I had been a Doctor Who fan for some time and had recently gotten into Red Dwarf as well. Anyways, I became hooked on the program, going theough the entire run of episodes rather quickly. However, other things soon put a hold to my interest in teh crew of Liberator/Scorpio...mainly growing up, and I only quite recently started renewing my interest in the show I still have the tapes made for me by my then girlfreind all those years ago and have started watching them again. Ironically, I have gotten my CURRENT girlfriend addicted to the program as well! The magic is still there in the programs. I still get a chill when Blake tells Avon he always trustsed him from the very beginnig at the end of Star One. I still think Avon is the greates character in television sci fi, and I still think Sally Harrison (Lauren from Aftermath) is gorgeous and looks great in that silver getp(too bad she had to be killed so quickly:)! Well,I look forward to discussing this cult classic with all of you in the near future. It's great to be aboard! Standard by 12 Zen! Thanks, Matt Cherry Mattcherry@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:33:00 PST From: "Matt Cherry" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: Newcomer alert Message-ID: <19980108023300.28773.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Good evening everyone! My name's Matt and I'm a 20 year old broadcast journalism major at Temple University in Philadelphia, PA, USA. Just writing to say hi and introduce myself. I wa thrilled when i found out there was a mailing list of people who love discussing this ground breaking, intelligent British sci-fi show with the greatest set of characters around. I was first introduced to Blake's 7 by an ex girlfriend about 5 years ago. I had been a Doctor Who fan for some time and had recently gotten into Red Dwarf as well. Anyways, I became hooked on the program, going theough the entire run of episodes rather quickly. However, other things soon put a hold to my interest in teh crew of Liberator/Scorpio...mainly growing up, and I only quite recently started renewing my interest in the show I still have the tapes made for me by my then girlfreind all those years ago and have started watching them again. Ironically, I have gotten my CURRENT girlfriend addicted to the program as well! The magic is still there in the programs. I still get a chill when Blake tells Avon he always trustsed him from the very beginnig at the end of Star One. I still think Avon is the greates character in television sci fi, and I still think Sally Harrison (Lauren from Aftermath) is gorgeous and looks great in that silver getp(too bad she had to be killed so quickly:)! Well,I look forward to discussing this cult classic with all of you in the near future. It's great to be aboard! Standard by 12 Zen! Thanks, Matt Cherry Mattcherry@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:58:15 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: Re[B7L] email junkie Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie wrote: > Voyager871 said: >> The only reason why I don't go on in the middle of the night is >> because my parents are real light sleepers. If only l could figure >> out how to lower my modem's volume! > > I had a slight problem when I first went on the internet and the owner of > my provider came round and turned up the volume of my dialler (it was > easier for him to detect my problem). So, what can get turned UP can also > be turned DOWN. > If no-one has let you know, I`ll try and get back to you on this, as I`d > like to know as well, so I`ll ask him. Well yes, there is a well-documented and reliable way of turning the volume down on modems, and you should be able to control the volume quite easily, if it _can_ be controlled. But some can't. In Win95, open the control panel, double click on Modems, select your modem from the list and click on "properties". There will be a slider for the volume control. Unfortunately, if you are unlucky, your modem won't have a volume control, and the slider will be greyed out. The only other alternative, if you are sure that your modem's volume can be changed, is to use the proper drivers for that particular modem. Unfortunately, finding the correct drivers for modems is notoriously difficult - most just use the standard drivers shipped with Win95. You can also try to send the modem the standard(ish) AT commands that turn the volume down, but that's something that is quite tricky to do. I havn't managed to get it working yet myself, so I can't really help any more on this front. Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:39:04 -0000 From: "Tom Forsyth" To: "B7 Lysator" Subject: Re: Re[B7L] Quote request Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie said: > Another quote from B7 that I use (only to people who are not B7 fans tho) > is to suggest an amputation when they complain of a headache. It seems to > bring a smile to their face!! My Dad's been using that on me since I was this >----< big. Obviously Mr. Boucher (or whoever) came over to Australia and chatted to a certain paediatric heart surgeon before writing that ep. Maybe we can sue for breach of copyright! Tom Forsyth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:42:44 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 Web Ring. Message-ID: <34B44B34.86D@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Day & Peter Borg wrote: > I've just set up a B7 web ring. What is a web ring? I visited the other B7 ring site mentioned, and it looked like just another web page. Sure, it has links. Does it do other tricks? Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 01:51:47 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Dorian Crew Message-ID: <19980107.224457.10383.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Dorian and Carnell on the same ship??? ///// Slash Alert! ///// Penny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:25:02 +1100 From: Ross Mallett To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:24 PM +0000 6/1/98, Iain Coleman wrote: >On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Russ Massey wrote: > >> I think the key phrase in Neil's article was his musing on men being >> emotionally 'mis-humanised' in slash in a similar way that women are >> physically and mentally dehumanised in male-written porn. It might be less >> offensive to the men being distorted, but it still makes me raise an >>eyebrow in >> the same way I do when someone writes about a 40lb broadsword. >> > >I remember reading that, and thinking the parallels were if anything >closer than Neil was making out. After all, in male-written porn the >female characters are generally acting of their own free will, just in a >way which is, shall we say, atypical. I'm starting to get really annoyed with this thread. Fanfic *is* male written. Men read it and they write it. The idea that men should not write fanfic is repugnant to me. We've always been writing it, I remember my classmates writing slash back in the 9th grade. Knock off the sexist crap. I can't help what gender I was born into. You can't tell the difference. Get used to it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:40:05 +0100 (MET) From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list) Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake's 7 Web Ring. (fwd) Message-Id: <199801080740.IAA26970@pampus.gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Andrew Day & Peter Borg wrote: > > > I've just set up a B7 web ring. > > What is a web ring? I visited the other B7 ring site mentioned, and it > looked like just another web page. Sure, it has links. Does it do other > tricks? > > Pat P > A web ring is an easy way to find almost all web sites about the same subject(s) If you have 100 pages linked in a ring you have links to all those sites on every web site. You can always search and find this info but this makes it easier for you. Hope this clears that up! :) See ya! Jeroen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:02:20 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re[B7L]: Jackie and Purdie Message-ID: <34B514AC.6ED0@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fran Myers wrote: > > There was another series of "Avengers" - much later - starring a rather > elderly Steed, assisted by someone whose name I can't recall, but it was > played by the luscious Gareth Hunt, and Purdie, played by the equally > luscious Joanna Lumley. > > The series was a total flop. Sort of. Known for its original pairing of Martin Shaw and Lewis Collins in one episode. Because of that episode they were later paired again as "The Professionals", which was not a flop. > > Last night I watched an old and dreadful English movie in which Jackie > played - would you believe - a gypsy wench!!! The most cultivated voice > ever heard from a grubby, untidy, plump gypsy. > > Fran M Title? Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:02:47 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re[B7L] Og/Gan Message-ID: <34B514C7.77FD@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: > > On Tue 06 Jan, Pat Patera wrote: > > > That's easy. Gan wasn't *quite* dead after Pressure Point. Servalan's > > rescuers took him out. Since he escaped a prison ship the last time, he > > was now sentenced to be a "lab animal" in Justin's science experiment. > > Og shows him the ropes (pun intended). > > No no, , I've got a far better explanation. I always knew I liked Og, > now I know why. > > Og *is* Gan!!! > > Judith > > --eerrmm? which bit of Gan did Justin remove? Gan is 6ft6 (at least) and Og is not (by almost 12 inches) If Gan IS Og, just what did Justin see on the viewscreen? M.... sorry! wrong list! Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:02:59 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re:[B7L] re Blakes Motives Message-ID: <34B514D3.2944@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Forsyth wrote: (snip) > > Unfortunately, of course, Blake doesn't realise that when Avon hears the > words "set" and "up" in close proximity, he gets a very twitchy trigger > finger. In the cold light of day, Avon might well have realised what Blake > _really_ meant, but as Judith has said (and I agree), Avon was not a > stress-free puppy. (snip, again) > > A few seconds later, after Blake doesn't react quite the way Avon was > expecting a scumbag traitor to, Avon rewinds his mental video and > re-watches that scene again. And he realises what Blake really meant. But > it's a little late now. And then he grins madly. So he's either gone > completely fruit-loop, or he's decided to play his final card and make sure > they don't take him alive. Which is pretty close to bonkers, I suppose. > > That man has got to learn to relax more. > > Tom Forsyth. Told you, Avon should have a pet, it reduces stress levels, and you live longer. Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:15:22 -0000 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Blake's 7" Subject: Re: [B7L] jackie and purdie Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fran wrote: > There was another series of "Avengers" - much later - starring a rather > elderly Steed, assisted by someone whose name I can't recall, but it was > played by the luscious Gareth Hunt, and Purdie, played by the equally > luscious Joanna Lumley. > > The series was a total flop. The series went out under the name 'The New Avengers', and Gareth Hunt's character was called Mike Gambit. It wasn't as successful as the original, but it still has a largish cult following. Heather 'can't think of a clever quote to go here' Smith 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:37:38 -0800 From: Jackie To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: re[B7L]: re Quote Request Message-ID: <34B51CF2.504B@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Forsyth wrote: > > Jackie said: > > Another quote from B7 that I use (only to people who are not B7 fans tho) > > is to suggest an amputation when they complain of a headache. It seems to > > bring a smile to their face!! > > My Dad's been using that on me since I was this >----< big. Obviously Mr. > Boucher (or whoever) came over to Australia and chatted to a certain > paediatric heart surgeon before writing that ep. Maybe we can sue for > breach of copyright! > > Tom Forsyth. In another of your posts (to SC roll call) you mention being 6 when you first watched Blakes7 - so maybe your dad got the quote from B7 in the first place? Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:09:05 +0100 (MET) From: Brian Franks <> To: Subject: [B7L] Search Engines Message-Id: <199801081709.SAA23699@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I saw your listing on the internet. Get your web site(s) submitted to over 250 of the worlds best search engines for only $39.95! (Yahoo, Lycos, AOL, Excite, Hotbot, Linkstar, Webcrawler, and hundreds others). A professional will view your site and put together a list of the best key words and submit your site: mailing you the computer print out of ALL the search engines your site(s) were submitted to. (you should have in 5-10 days) To put your web site in the fast lane and receive more traffic, mail your check for only $39.95 to NetWorld at the below address. To start your submission today, fax a copy of the check you are mailing to (760) 639-3551 and be SURE to include BOTH the web site address and email address for each site you are having submitted. This is a one time fee. Mail Checks to NetWorld PO Box 326 Oceanside, CA. 92049 Sincerely, Brian Franks NetWorld http://www.max2001isp.com/networld/submit.htm (800) 484-2621 X5568 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 11:34:23 -0600 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Search Engines Message-Id: <199801081732.LAA30270@athena.host4u.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Has anyone else recieved this kind of garbage? Or if Brian Franks subscribes to this list, respectfully f**ck off. I subscribe to this list to discuss Blake's 7, not to be pestered to pay $40 for something I can do on my own, and for free. Thousand Pardons if I offended anyone other than Brian Franks Reuben reuben@reuben.net ---------- >From: Brian Franks <> >To: >Subject: [B7L] Search Engines >Date: Thu, Jan 8, 1998, 11:09 AM > >I saw your listing on the internet. >Get your web site(s) submitted to over 250 of the worlds best >search engines for only $39.95! (Yahoo, Lycos, AOL, Excite, >Hotbot, Linkstar, Webcrawler, and hundreds others). > >A professional will view your site and put together a list >of the best key words and submit your site: mailing you >the computer print out of ALL the search engines your >site(s) were submitted to. (you should have in 5-10 days) > >To put your web site in the fast lane and receive more >traffic, mail your check for only $39.95 to NetWorld at >the below address. To start your submission today, fax >a copy of the check you are mailing to (760) 639-3551 >and be SURE to include BOTH the web site address >and email address for each site you are having submitted. >This is a one time fee. > >Mail Checks to NetWorld PO Box 326 Oceanside, CA. 92049 > > >Sincerely, > >Brian Franks >NetWorld >http://www.max2001isp.com/networld/submit.htm >(800) 484-2621 X5568 > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:54:38 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Sherlock Holmes Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 I don't suppose anyone out there has been taping Sherlock Holmes off Granada Plus have you? To my absolute frustration, I've just realised that yesterday's episode 'The Naval Treaty' was the one with Gareth Thomas in. I don't have satellite anyway, but if I'd realised it was on, I'd have strong-armed somebody into recording it for me. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:25:09 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] videos Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 According to Cult TV magazine, Fabulous Films are re-releasing the B7 videos throughout 1998 starting on March 2nd. They will be priced at 10.99 pounds each and have the usual two episodes per tape. If you have difficulty getting them in your local shop, you'd probably be able to get them via Videodrome - tel 01733 232800. They charge p+p, but the rate doesn't seem excessive and they will mail outside the UK. Just remember that the tapes will be PAL, not NTSC. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:59:08 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: re:[B7l] re Blakes Motives Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Wed 07 Jan, Tom Forsyth wrote: > A few seconds later, after Blake doesn't react quite the way Avon was > expecting a scumbag traitor to, Avon rewinds his mental video and > re-watches that scene again. And he realises what Blake really meant. But > it's a little late now. And then he grins madly. So he's either gone > completely fruit-loop, or he's decided to play his final card and make sure > they don't take him alive. Which is pretty close to bonkers, I suppose. > > That man has got to learn to relax more. Interesting to read the interview with Paul Darrow and Jackie Pearce in this month's issue of Cult V magazine. Paul: "It's the ultimate betrayal because if you've got a guy who doesn't trust anybody and maybe trusted Blake a little, to feel that he'd let him down... Wow!" "He knows he's going to get blown away - and the gun's empty by the way - so what do you do? It's Billy the Kid, isn't it? You draw the empty gun so that Pat Garrett will blow you away. If you're in that kind of situation you either cry or you laugh." I recall Paul saying that before. Mary Ridge may have added on the gunshots, but Paul played as though Avon was out of ammo. In that situation, you raise your gun and laugh at fate. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:51:20 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate Message-ID: In message , Ross Mallett writes >At 5:24 PM +0000 6/1/98, Iain Coleman wrote: >>On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Russ Massey wrote: >> >>> I think the key phrase in Neil's article was his musing on men being >>> emotionally 'mis-humanised' in slash in a similar way that women are >>> physically and mentally dehumanised in male-written porn. It might be less >>> offensive to the men being distorted, but it still makes me raise an >>>eyebrow in >>> the same way I do when someone writes about a 40lb broadsword. >>> >> >>I remember reading that, and thinking the parallels were if anything >>closer than Neil was making out. After all, in male-written porn the >>female characters are generally acting of their own free will, just in a >>way which is, shall we say, atypical. > > >I'm starting to get really annoyed with this thread. Fanfic *is* male >written. Men read it and they write it. > >The idea that men should not write fanfic is repugnant to me. We've always >been writing it, I remember my classmates writing slash back in the 9th >grade. While there's been an underlying assumption that slash is written by women (which the majority is, so far as I can tell), I don't think anybody has yet suggested that men shouldn't write it. (And I should hope not - I've enjoyed most of the male written stuff I've seen, even that which does not appeal to me sexually). > >Knock off the sexist crap. I can't help what gender I was born into. You >can't tell the difference. > Actually, sometimes you can. !Generalisation alert! Women write emotions, men don't. Not always true of course, probably not even mostly although I don't have a large enough sample size where I *know* the gender of the author, but I have read a few stories where I was not surprised to see a male name under the story title. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:35:21 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7l] re Blakes Motives Message-ID: In message , Tom Forsyth writes >> > [Avon brings the gun around and fires. Blake is visibly >> > hit. Avon fires again. Blake continues his approach, and >> > Avon fires a third time. Blake stops, but is still standing. >> > Avon swings the gun up to point at Blake's face. As his >knees >> > begin to buckle, Blake grabs Avon's arms.] > >A few seconds later, after Blake doesn't react quite the way Avon was >expecting a scumbag traitor to, Avon rewinds his mental video and >re-watches that scene again. And he realises what Blake really meant. But >it's a little late now. And then he grins madly. So he's either gone >completely fruit-loop, or he's decided to play his final card and make sure >they don't take him alive. Which is pretty close to bonkers, I suppose. Depends on whether you think suicide by Federation troopers is a less rational alternative than living a little longer in order to be tortured to death for your information. Yes, I know Servalan would probably keep him alive for one reason or another (Orac, teleport, sex slave...), but to the Federation in general he's just a criminal and a talented terrorist who's managed to make a right bloody nuisance of himself. > >That man has got to learn to relax more. There are lots of us who would be willing to help him :-) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:50:49 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] That Volcano Look (was Re: Harvest of Kairos) Message-ID: <199801081451_MC2-2E7D-6FCE@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Grace said: >After I saw "Volcano" I kind of put my head >in my hands and said "Hmm, now what is >that look about? It can't really mean that >Avon is so concerned about Cally's welfare, >can it? That Look hit me between the eyes, too, but I thought it was Avon reacting to the notion that perhaps he would spend the rest of his life stuck on a ship with just Vila for company. No Orac, no Cally, all gone. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:14:05 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Search Engines Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Thu 08 Jan, Reuben Herfindahl wrote: > Has anyone else recieved this kind of garbage? Or if Brian Franks > subscribes to this list, respectfully f**ck off. I subscribe to this list > to discuss Blake's 7, not to be pestered to pay $40 for something I can do Yes, I got it privately as well as via the list and my reaction was pretty much the same as yours. Spam is a real bind. Actually, I've been getting a lot less spam recently. Demon must have found some way of cutting down on it as this was the first one I'd had in several weeks. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:58:48 +1100 (EST) From: Gordon Burgess & Carol Mason To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate Message-Id: <199801082258.JAA13877@magna.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 06:25 PM 1/8/98 +1100, you wrote: >>At 5:24 PM +0000 6/1/98, Iain Coleman wrote: >>>On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Russ Massey wrote: >>> >>>> I think the key phrase in Neil's article was his musing on men being >>>> emotionally 'mis-humanised' in slash in a similar way that women are >>>> physically and mentally dehumanised in male-written porn. It might be less >>>> offensive to the men being distorted, but it still makes me raise an >>>>eyebrow in >>>> the same way I do when someone writes about a 40lb broadsword. >>>> >>> >>>I remember reading that, and thinking the parallels were if anything >>>closer than Neil was making out. After all, in male-written porn the >>>female characters are generally acting of their own free will, just in a >>>way which is, shall we say, atypical. >> >> >>I'm starting to get really annoyed with this thread. Fanfic *is* male >>written. Men read it and they write it. >> >>The idea that men should not write fanfic is repugnant to me. We've always >>been writing it, I remember my classmates writing slash back in the 9th >>grade. >> >>Knock off the sexist crap. I can't help what gender I was born into. You >>can't tell the difference. >> >>Get used to it. >> I have not entered into this debate at all. But without over analysing the issue I would have thought that the quality of the story and the way the characters are depicted would rest more with the authors talent or flair for writing , rather than with what gender the author happens to be. I have read some very good slash ( m/m ) fan fiction and I was totally blown away to find that it had been written by a male ( a straight male ) Catch you later, Carol. Take care, Peace be with you, Carol "Hondo" Mason "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity" "Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film" "Friends may come and go, but enemies tend to accumlate" "If you can't convince them, confuse them" "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 19:42 GMT0 From: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gary Marden) To: algemy@ozemail.com.au, blake7@lysator.liu.se Cc: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk Subject: Re: [B7L] jackie and purdie Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34B3BC69.4D2B@ozemail.com.au> > There was another series of "Avengers" - much later - starring a rather > elderly Steed, assisted by someone whose name I can't recall, but it was > played by the luscious Gareth Hunt, and Purdie, played by the equally > luscious Joanna Lumley. That would have been "The New Avengers". Gareth Hunt played a character called "Mike Gambit". > The series was a total flop. Oh, I dunno. It ran for a few seasons. The final (I think) season had the intrepid trio relocated to Canada, for reasons which I can't recall. The plots were frequently far fetched. Cheers Gary -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #7 ************************************