From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #70 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/70 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 70 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Re: [B7L] OT: B5 (oblique plot refs) (was OT: Jingo) Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo) Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo) [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines [B7L] RE: blakes7-d Digest V98 #69 [B7L] NZ Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo) [B7L] Blakes7 / Xena CU Re: [B7L] Blakes7 / Xena CU Re: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines Re: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines [B7L] ssmmmoooking [B7L] Fan Q possibilities [B7L] Visions [B7L] Re: Fan Q possibilities Re: [B7L] NZ Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs and Deliverance [B7L] Jingo (Back on-topic, eventually)) Re: [B7L] Groupie names Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) [B7L] New Zealanders Re: [B7L] Visions Re: [B7L] New Zealanders ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:07:23 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit Message-ID: <34F8D0EB.10D9@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Mary W O'Connor wrote: > > INTP - took the test, but not convinced. I will need to study the > > concept more. Perhaps I will try the other site and do the other test. > > If I don't have the time (reading all this mail keeps me busy) > > I'll just buy the book. > :D Mary, you are either a fantastically funny subtle humorist, or... > ...a *CLASSIC* INTP! > I am ROFLing reading this golden nugget of prose, succinctly summarizing > the heart and soul and raison d'etre of an INTJ. oops! I meant : of an INTP Pat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:11:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Mary W O'Connor" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > >Repeat after me. > >Avon is not insane. > Lisa Williams wrote: > I agree; I don't think Avon comes anywhere *near* qualifying for any major > psychotic or mood disorder. Some minor stuff maybe, like cyclothymia or a > personality disorder or two, but a good chunk of the population can rack up > a couple of those. Mostly he's just a crabby guy who doesn't much like the > way his life is going. > I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a long holiday. Mary O'Connor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:41:25 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: "Mary W O'Connor" CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-ID: <34F9B9E5.5D9B@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mary W O'Connor wrote: > > > Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > > > >Repeat after me. > > >Avon is not insane. > > > Lisa Williams wrote: > > I agree; I don't think Avon comes anywhere *near* qualifying for any major > > psychotic or mood disorder. Some minor stuff maybe, like cyclothymia or a > > personality disorder or two, but a good chunk of the population can rack up > > a couple of those. Mostly he's just a crabby guy who doesn't much like the > > way his life is going. > > > I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a long > holiday. Avon> "Get that damn pill out of my face!" Vila> "The lady mentioned a holiday." Avon> "Holiday? hmmm... Orac, a list of pleasure planets within a 12 parsec radius... and if Servalan's on any of them, disqualify it." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:03:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Mary W O'Connor" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Pat Patera wrote: > > Mary W O'Connor wrote: > > > INTP - took the test, but not convinced. I will need to study the > > > concept more. Perhaps I will try the other site and do the other test. > > > If I don't have the time (reading all this mail keeps me busy) > > > I'll just buy the book. > > :D Mary, you are either a fantastically funny subtle humorist, or... > > ...a *CLASSIC* INTP! Both actually :) Someone's comments about how INT's (or was it even INTP's) always buy books because of the information they represent; had me ROFL because I have shelves and shelves of non-fiction reference books that I have never had the time to read. I just want to have their information at my fingertips :) while I pursue some other line of thought. > > I am ROFLing reading this golden nugget of prose, succinctly summarizing > > the heart and soul and raison d'etre of an INTJ. > oops! I meant : of an INTP > Pat > Pat, you must be email psychic. I am a borderline P, a little bit J Mary O'Connor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:27:31 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Helen: >> >Because the Blake's 7 universe depicts a pretty sexist future? The men >> >in good jobs severely outnumber the women. The gals on the ships never >> >seem to question that the men are the leaders. me: >> And every time someone (male) referred to a (patently adult!) woman as a >> "girl", I cringe. Even Dayna's "the girl who killed Bayban" grates, and >> she's talking about herself. Are all the Mutoids women? Helen: >Dayna wanted to say a different line than Cally, I think. And Dayna grew >up with only a sister and father for company... in many ways, she may >feel she still has so much to learn about other people, and so many ways >to mature, she is still a "girl". Points taken. That scene would have been pretty contrived if Dayna had said the same thing as Cally. And there needed to be a third "... who killed Bayban" to round out the dialogue. Reminds me of the "rule of three" used by political speech writers - repeat a key point (or variations thereof) three times for maximum emphasis. (I think I heard that from Alan Pease, body language expert.) >As far as Servalan goes, yes, she had to be ruthless to get there. But >Avon is ruthless, too, and he doesn't commit genocide in order to >reproduce (Children of Aruon). I mean to say, the lady has style-- as >far as being unfeminine goes, she isn't-- but she is evil, without a >doubt. Oh, yes, by any standards of behaviour Servalan's actions are reprehensible. Stylish, ruthless, evil. Not my first vote for President of the Galaxy by any stretch. ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:02:14 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: B5 (oblique plot refs) (was OT: Jingo) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gwynn: >> Apparently you haven't seen much of Voyager or DS9. Both feature women in >> great roles. TNG and TOS (original Trek) didn't fo well in this area. >> Helen: >Actually, I prefer the women of B5. Susan Ivanova is God, after all >(from the Babylon 5 mantra). Delenn looks delicate, but those Minbari >are stronger than human and behind her soft spokenness, we have seen a >will of iron. And Leeta... gotta love a telepath who puts her hands on a >guy and fells him just by saying "Pain!" Not to mention the icy-looking >but tres hot leader of the Mars resistance. Were we separated at birth? ;) Ivanova has to be my favourite character from B5, closely followed by Marcus, Lyta, Garibaldi, Steven and Talia. I was _so_ torn as the closing eps of the most recent season unfolded (was it 3 or 4? Senility looms...), and so angry at Marcus. Selfish, that's me. Digression: Garibaldi wrapped in pink Gladwrap, mmm. ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:21:29 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pat?: > > all hairy barbarians (none of whom compare to Ares, the >God of War in > Xena, Warrior Princess. What a studmuffin *sigh* *manic cackling* and he's mine, mine, miiiiine. Sorry, that gland gang again. What I meant to say was, Kevin Smith is one of our sexier exports. I've seen him in lots of telly here, including a spot on a stand-up comedy show (very funny in a blokish sort of way). And at least once in theatre productions (unfortunately, the only part I can remember is a bit-part as an Irish policeman in Lettice and Lovage at Christchurch's Court Theatre). A hunt through the programme collection is definitely on the list for next time I visit the parents. Anyway, after going slowly green reading accounts of Steven Pacey on stage, and thinking about Paul Darrow as Captain Vimes, I just had to chime in on this one. :-) More sexy Kiwi exports: Russell Crowe (Quick and the Dead, and others), Temuera Morrison (Speed 2). Sue: > Ares is hot. Yes. Is it that bad-boy thing again, d'ya think? ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:58:33 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Nicola Collie CC: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo) Message-ID: <34F9E819.4F76@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suggest Kevin Smith (Ares) as Avon if they were to remake B7... opinions? (And Nicola, I think Garibaldi would give you a very funny look about pick Saran wrap. He's more of a Daffy Duck boxers kind of guy.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:23:33 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Nicola Collie CC: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines Message-ID: <34F9DF45.2655@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From "Children of Auron", Servalan's reaction to her clones dying-- "A Mother's Love". ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1998 16:01:29 -0800 From: "Kinkade.Carol" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] RE: blakes7-d Digest V98 #69 Message-ID: >Reuben wrote: >I'll get in a conversation about TV and how what's on today really stinks >and how it's not worth watching, and then I'll start talking about this >really amazing TV show that is gritty reality like nothing on TV today, >then I will invariably drag out the tape and submit the poor party goers >to The Way Back or the final moments of Blake, explaining the signifigance >of it all as we go along. All this at 2 or 3 in the morning. > >IS this another one of those YKYBWTMB7W? Or is it just a sign that I'm >losing it. Sounds like the pefect date to me. Carol K (AVON RULES!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:58:06 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] NZ Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" me: >> I'm a proud New Zealander - possibly the only person on the >> list who doesn't automatically think NZ=Neutral Zone :) > >Fran M >C'mon, mate! There's several Aussies on this list! We even know that >you are a separate country to us! Crikey, sheila! Bloody pleased to know ya! (Struth, it's hard coming up with Kiwi vernacular that doesn't sound more Strine....) Yes, I had spotted a few .au addresses in the list, but no other .nz's :(. And I'm reassured that you realise we're a separate country ;). From past experience, I'm lucky if non-Antipodeans realise we're even in the South Pacific. "Noo ZEE-land? Somewhere near Iceland, innit?" Brrr! ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:33:56 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Lisa Williams wrote, re Avon: >> Mostly he's just a crabby guy who doesn't much like the >> way his life is going. >> Mary O'Connor: >I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a long >holiday. So that's why I identify so strongly with him right now! And I only had a holiday two months ago... ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:43:10 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Helen: >I suggest Kevin Smith (Ares) as Avon if they were to remake B7... >opinions? mmm, dunno. I've only ever seen him in blokish, muscleman type roles. Not saying he couldn't do it, mind. Just can't see it. >(And Nicola, I think Garibaldi would give you a very funny look about >pick Saran wrap. He's more of a Daffy Duck boxers kind of guy.) Yeah, well, he hadn't chosen said plastic clingfilm attire himself ;-). I'm sure he'd much rather wear the boxers. Especially given the circumstances. ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:34:12 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Blakes7 / Xena CU Message-ID: <34F9FE84.48AB@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > Ares is hot. It's not just the leather; it's "the look" I frequently think of Avon when watching Ares. it's "the attitude" the arrogance, the insolence, the sideburns! :D (Avon plays Elvis joke) > I am now wondering if a crossover fanfic would be a good thing or a bad > thing. Xena teamed with Avon> "What do you mean, a man is always > stronger? Benchpress Argo, then." Naw, Xena would simply arm-wrestle Avon into submission Of course, we are being silly, as Xena is fathered by a god (Ares). It would be like pitting Gan against Hercules (also fathered by a god - Zeus). Sure, Gan is strong, but only mortal, after all. > Servalan and Ares, "Was the battle of Star One as good for you as it was > for me?" *snort* *sputter* LOL oh Helen, you are TOO wicked! Ok, if we cast the B7 characters into the Xena Universe: Servalan - Callisto Avon - Ares Or: Travis I - Ares & Travis II - Ares' whiney nephew Dayna - Gabrielle Gan - Argo Avalon - Queen of the Amazons Kasabi - Queen Bodica Soolin - Aphrodite (who's really quite malicious) Dorian - Cupid Carnell - The Oracle at Damocleus Jenna - Hera (the *jealous* wife of Zeus) Blake - Zeus Jarvik - Hercules Cally - Iosus (sp?) Vila - Prince of Thieves (name?) Tarrant - Joxer (all together now...) Joxer the Mighty He's very tidy Everyone admires him He's so handsome it's a sin He's every man's Trotsky He's every woman's fantasy If you're in jeopardy Don't call the calvary There's a better remedy Altho he doesn't work for free Joxer the Mighty Roams thru the countryside He never needs a place to hide With Gabby as his sidekick Fighting with her little stick Righting wrongs and singing songs Being Mighty all day long It's Joxer! Joxer the Mighty! It's Joxer! Joxer the MI-I-IGHTY! (sung with the bombastic vigor of Monty Python's "I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK" (Pat now enrolls in Secret Witness Protection Program with Tarrant Nostra hot on her heels) Gan? I ain't afraid of no goose. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:32:50 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: pussnboots@geocities.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blakes7 / Xena CU Message-ID: <34FA0C43.62F2@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat Patera wrote: > > Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > > Ares is hot. > It's not just the leather; it's "the look" > I frequently think of Avon when watching Ares. > it's "the attitude" the arrogance, the insolence, the sideburns! :D > (Avon plays Elvis joke) And he can do that cool, plotting thing. > > I am now wondering if a crossover fanfic would be a good thing or a bad > > thing. Xena teamed with Avon> "What do you mean, a man is always > > stronger? Benchpress Argo, then." > Naw, Xena would simply arm-wrestle Avon into submission And then what would she do with him? > > Of course, we are being silly, as Xena is fathered by a god (Ares). It > would be like pitting Gan against Hercules (also fathered by a god - > Zeus). Sure, Gan is strong, but only mortal, after all. But Ares denies being her daddy. And Xena would just love to teach Avon not to be so arrogant. And Avon doesn't know she's supernatural. The look on his face would be similiar to the moment Vila volunteered for speed-chess. > > > Servalan and Ares, "Was the battle of Star One as good for you as it was > > for me?" > *snort* *sputter* LOL oh Helen, you are TOO wicked! Thank you. Proudly DAMNed, bad-ASS, SEXed and full of VICE. > > Ok, if we cast the B7 characters into the Xena Universe: > Servalan - Callisto > Avon - Ares > Or: Travis I - Ares > & Travis II - Ares' whiney nephew (note, the nephew's name is Strife) > Dayna - Gabrielle Dayna= Artemis, I think > Gan - Argo No... what about Typhon, the giant > Avalon - Queen of the Amazons > Kasabi - Queen Bodica > Soolin - Aphrodite (who's really quite malicious) > Dorian - Cupid Pre-Psyche, maybe > Carnell - The Oracle at Damocleus > Jenna - Hera (the *jealous* wife of Zeus) > Blake - Zeus > Jarvik - Hercules > Cally - Iosus (sp?) > Vila - Prince of Thieves (name?) "Autolycus," (groom mustache) "King of Thieves" > Tarrant - Joxer And the guy from Gold as Salmoneus > Snip > > (Pat now enrolls in Secret Witness Protection Program with Tarrant > Nostra hot on her heels) > Gan? I ain't afraid of no goose. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:41:50 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines Message-ID: <34FA1C6E.39E6@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen Krummenacker wrote: > >From "Children of Auron", Servalan's reaction to her clones dying-- > "A Mother's Love". *cackle snort* :D More Precious Moments: (aaw shucks, I can't top "Wishing Well") Worst opening line for fanfic story - official contest entry: It was a glorious spring day on Gauda Prime. Young Soolin skipped out of her little rose covered cottage, yellow pigtails bouncing behind. Perkily, she sang: "...Today's the day the TeddyBears have their pic-nic." Pat P (puking) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:22:33 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: pussnboots@geocities.com CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines Message-ID: <34FA25F9.7FB7@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat Patera wrote: > > Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > >From "Children of Auron", Servalan's reaction to her clones dying-- > > "A Mother's Love". > *cackle snort* :D > More Precious Moments: > (aaw shucks, I can't top "Wishing Well") Thank you. > > Worst opening line for fanfic story - official contest entry: > > It was a glorious spring day on Gauda Prime. Young Soolin skipped out of > her little rose covered cottage, yellow pigtails bouncing behind. > Perkily, she sang: "...Today's the day the TeddyBears have their > pic-nic." > > Pat P > (puking) Actually, I picture this as a real flashback story... seconds later, her family is massacred, and little Soolin picks up an abandoned weapon, dresses her dollies as the bad guys, and shoots each one to bits. An contest entry from me: Avon turned to the leader of the rebel band, "All right, Dave Lister, we'll do it your way, but only because you got me killed boarding the Liberator and as a hologram, I'm virtually immortal. God, I wish I'd gone with Blake's plan for escape, but who would work for a child molestor?" (Is it okay for the worst line to incorporate a crossover?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:05:35 +1000 From: "Roger The Shrubber" To: "B7 Main List" Subject: [B7L] ssmmmoooking Message-Id: <199803020427.PAA24057@budapest.ozonline.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit someone mentioned the possibility of Avon being a smoker Here is my list of who would & wouldn't Avon- chain smokes because he is a tough guy ! Also needs something to do with his hands when he's not programming or rigging up hardware Servalan - Smokes very expensive cigarettes that you can't get at the local shops. Possibly uses a cigarette holder while smoking. Vila - Cigar when he's winning, occasional cheap cigs when he's not. Dayna - More interested in recreational drugs than cigs. Soolin - 30 a day, 60 when socialising, sometimes rolls her own. Gan - Social smoker, cheap brand. Blake - Doesn't smoke, but is curious about who else does & why. Cally - Used to smoke a safe herbal mix. Jenna - Smokes plenty while doing illegal smuggling runs, otherwise just socially. Travis - Marlboros, what else. ___________________________________ from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome ! powerplay@cheerful.com ____________________________________ "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977 ______________________________________ "The Administration is out to get me" _______________________________________ "In the end, winning is the only safety" _________________________________________ "If man is art, can I just go out of here and make an exhibition of myself ?" ________________________________________ Was God an astronaut ? _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634 Anxiety & Panic _________________________________________ http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 98 03:43:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com To: space-city%world.std.com%inet03#@genie.geis.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Fan Q possibilities Message-Id: <199803020440.EAA25454@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK, here are all the 1997 all-B7 gen zines (including het adult, which counts as gen for Fan Q purposes) that I know of. Have I left anything out? Nomination forms are available on the MediaWest web site, at http://members.aol.com/MdiaWstCon/mwc.htm If you're not a member of the convention, then you have to pay a $1 fee to make nominations, but you can make as many as you like. In Australia, Susan Smith-Clarke is collecting the forms. Otherwise, I suppose everyone should use the U.S. address. Nominations must be received by March 20. To be on the final ballot, there must be three nominations for each item and at least two items in the category. Everything must be designated either "gen" (including adult) or "slash" (the single f/f story in =Deadlier Than the Male= would presumably be considered slash). The categories are: artist poem or filk story (any length, within a zine) nonfiction "story" (article, essay, etc.) nonfiction zine standalone story (any length, published by itself) zine (fiction, poems, etc.) Here's what we have to choose from in the gen division. I notice one thing already-- there are exactly two standalones, so we should nominate both if we want one to win! Kathryn, I understand there is also some B7 material in =Refractions= #3, if you'd like to add any information about that. AVON #12: Mercy's Bounty (novella by Donna Chlouber; S5) Publisher: Avon, The Paul Darrow Society Date: 1997 AVON #13 (two stories by Susan Barrett Riaz) Publisher: Avon, The Paul Darrow Society Date: 1997 Fiction: Susan Barrett Riaz, "Considered Alternatives" Susan Barrett Riaz, "Alone Is Not the Only Way" DARK WINE (novel by Tashery Shannon; adult; AU A/ocf) Editor: Tashery Shannon Publisher: Maverick Press (Jo Ann McCoy; Pueblo, CO) Date: May, 1997 DEADLIER THAN THE MALE (mixed gen, adult, and f/f) Editor: Pat Jacquerie Publisher: Maverick Press (Jo Ann McCoy, Pueblo, CO) Date: 1997 Fiction: Brooke Barker, "Career Counseling" (gen; S0; Se) Misha, "Asphodel" (S5; J/Se) P. R. Zvejnieks, "Beginnings" (gen; S3-4?; Veron Kasabi- Bek) P. R. Zvejnieks, "Proving Flight" (gen; sequel to "Beginnings;" S3-4?; Veron Kasabi/Bek) Susan Barrett Riaz, "Nobody Lives Forever" (gen; S3-4; Se) Pita Enriquez Harris, "Streetcorner Girl" (gen; S0; So) Neil Faulkner, "A Candle in the Dark" (gen; S0; C) Vega, "Reminiscences from the Pit" (gen; S1-S0; J) Alicia Ann Fox, "Vi et Armis" (S3; A/D) Susan Bennett, "Powerplay-- An Epilogue" (gen; S4; Se-C) Judith Proctor, "A Scale of Violence" (gen; S5; So-G) Marian Mendez, "Early Days" (gen; S1; A-C) Twisted Sister, "Assessments" (S1?; G/So) Lexa Reiss, "Psychotherapy" (gen; S3; A-Se) Lorna Breshears, "In the Blood" (gen; S1, post-Duel; V - Kie-eyre, the mutoid) Poetry: Barbara Teichert, "A Fourth Season Pilot's Song" (f, Poisoning Pigeons in the Park, by Tom Lehrer) Barbara Teichert, "Bayban's Mother Puts a Word On" (f, The Ballad of Sweeney Todd, by Stephen Sondheim) Susan Bennett, "Another Kind of Exile: Cally" Judith Proctor, "Ladies from Hades" (f, Eileen O'Grady) Barbara Teichert, "How to Kill Her" (f, I Don't Know How to Love Him, by Andrew Lloyd Webber) Barbara Teichert, "How to Kill Him" (f, I Don't Know How to Love Him, by Andrew Lloyd Webber) Barbara Teichert, "Days in White Satin" (f, Nights in White Satin, by Justin Hayward) Barbara Teichert, "Servalan Plays Favorites" (f, My Favorite Things, by Richard Rogers) Art: Randym p. 62 Christmas cartoon Val Westall p. 125 So TENTS OF GOTH #1 Editorial staff: Managing editor: David R. Sanderson Senior editor: Ruth Hanson Editor: Caroljean Hanson Publisher: Egrorian Press Date: April 1997 Fiction: Lorna Breshears, "Digging in the Dirt" (S5; A) David R. Sanderson, "CHR761" (S2) Jeffrey D. Jonsson, "Doppelganger" (S3; B) David R. Sanderson, "Blake, Less One" (alt S4-5, alt- Blake) Ruth Hanson, "Choices" (alt-S2, alt-post-Killer) Anna Richmond, "Double Bluff" (S2) Carol Hanson, "White Dwarf" (alt-S2; Se) No art WHAT ON EARTH HAPPENED TO YOU? Editors: Nicole Petty and Bonnie Key Publisher: Delta Dome Press (Marietta, GA) Date: 1997 Format: letter size, 154 text pp. + [6] pp. zine ads, white card covers, black comb binding Fiction (all dealing with Blake post-Star One): Susan Riaz, "Alone Is Not the Only Way" (prequel to AVON #10: The Sum of the Parts; S3; B) Patricia Blasi, "Portside" (S3; B-J) Jean B. Hubb, "What Do You Want of Me?" (S3; B) Vega, "Diversion" (S3; B) Marian Mendez, "Mistaken" (S3; B-J) Marian Mendez, "Jenna's Addenda" (sequel to "Mistaken;" S3, J) Patricia Blasi, "Blake's Battalions" (S3; B-J; humor) Paul Ragis, "Debts to Pay" (S3; B; two alternate endings) Pat Fenech, "An Unacceptable Risk" (S3-S4; B) Pita Enriquez-Harris, "Griffin, Blake" (same universe as "I'm Not Blake" in STAR THREE; S3; B) Susan Riaz, "To the Death" (S5) Marian Mendez, "Fallen Star" (S3-4-5; B-J) Judith Proctor, "What If Earth Be But the Shadow of Heaven?" (S5; B-G) Nonfiction: "Behind the Scenes" (acknowledgments) Nicole Petty, "Ol Proverbial Editorial" Zine ads Poetry: Judith Proctor, "The Writer's Lament" (f, I Will Go, I Will Go When the Fighting Is Over) Judith Proctor, "Seeking Gauda Prime" Susan Bennett, "The Killing Moon" Judith Proctor, "Freedom's Call" (f, Going Nowhere, by Artisan) Judith Proctor, "I Can't Remember" (f, My Song Is Love Unknown) Art: Bonnie Key front c. B, A, Liberator Sabrina Stone p. 5 B p. 110 B p. 154 B, A, V Mary O'Connor p. 9 B p. 15 J-B p. 18 B-Se on Terminal p. 23 B-J; illo for "Portside" p. 66 J p. 71 GP B p. 77 B-J; illo for "Blake's" p. 151 B-G; illo for "Heaven" Val Westall p. 27 B p. 113 GP B, Liberator p. 119 A p. 122 A-B p. 125 B-A p. 133 J p. 142 GP B p. 147 A-B on GP Fliss Davies p. 35 B, J; illo for "Diversion" p. 47 B; illo for "Diversion" p. 59 B-ocm; illo for "Diversion" back c. B, Liberator Maria de le Luz Ragis p. 84 spaceships Marisa Fenech p. 93 B p. 104 A-B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:33:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Visions Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Gareth Thomas and Sheelagh Wells are confirmed guests at Visions. The date is 27-29 November '98 and it is at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare in Chicago. I've temporarily forgotten the web page address, but I've linked it from my page. Try 'news' or 'conventions'. I expect I'll probabaly go to this one, although it's not one of my favourite conventions. (I don't care much for the con hotel) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 98 06:44:00 GMT From: s.thompson8%genie.com%inet01#@genie.geis.com To: space-city%world.std.com%inet01#@genie.geis.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Fan Q possibilities Message-Id: <199803020741.HAA08991@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oops-- here's something I forgot. Since by the Fan Q rules, heterosexual adult stories count as gen, the following stories from =Forbidden Star= #2 are also in the gen group, even though the zine itself presumably counts as slash. (Note: the first two are very short, humorous pieces, and "Portrait" is a two-page vignette; the other four stories are longer and have substantial plots as well as sex. All are very good, IMO.) The poems all seem to be non-slash as well. FORBIDDEN STAR #2 Editor: Judith Proctor Publisher: Waveney (Wimborne, Dorset) Date: December 1997 Non-slash stories: Arachne, "Girl's Night Out" (C-J, implied B/J; humor) Arachne, "Dressing for Dinner" (Tr; humor) Arachne, "A Brief Revival of Saffron" (S1, A/Se) Nicky Barnard, "Passing Through Fire" (S3, Moloch; V-Se, Se/ocms) Alicia Ann Fox, "In the Cold with You" (alt-S4, alt- Rescue; A/C) Twisted Sister, "Portrait" (S3; A/C) Loulou Harris, "Cold Revolution" (S4; A/So) Non-slash poetry: Ebony, "Insomnia" (A) Ebony, "Masquerade" (uc A/C) Ebony, "Rebel" (A? or B?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:09:00 +1030 From: "Lindley" To: , "B7" Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ Message-ID: <01bd458c$bcdd4e40$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Fran M.]: >> I'm a proud New Zealander - possibly the only person on the >> list who doesn't automatically think NZ=Neutral Zone :) > >C'mon, mate! There's several Aussies on this list! We even know that >you are a separate country to us! I was reading this Xena story, trying desperately to figure out why Xena had been miraculously transported to Australia, when it finally hit me... OK, so that's off-topic. But I could see Gan, as a Kiwi, honest. love & hugs, Lindley. Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:07:03 +1030 From: "Lindley" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs and Deliverance Message-ID: <01bd45c7$23d964a0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit {Helen K]: yeah, again. Dunno why I keep answering the same two people... >Pat Patera wrote: >> >> Judith Proctor wrote: >> > I looked at the rules on 'Rebel hunt' which said >> > Of course, if in the best B7 >> > > tradition, it actually looks like a hairdryer or curling tongs, that's fine." >> >> Envision Servalan, curling tongs in hand, an evil red telltale inset in >> its steel collar, a baleful glowing eye signifying the searing heat of >> this instrument of torment. Slowly, lovingly, a gloating gleam in her >> eye, she touches the burning rod to rebel >> flesh... I'm not sure whether to crack up laughing or to take an anti-aphrodisiac. >Avon glowers, "Even if you give me Tarrant's hairstyle, I _still_ won't >talk!" Yeah, but threaten my Soolin with split ends, and she just might crumble. >> >> And I shudder to think how deadly My Steel Queen could be with a >> hairdryer! ':o XXX Lindley. Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:36:16 +1030 From: "Lindley" To: "Helen Krummenacker" , "Nicola Collie" Cc: "B7-list" Subject: [B7L] Jingo (Back on-topic, eventually)) Message-ID: <01bd4590$8c009ee0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Helen Krummaker}: >> "I've only been a woman for tem minutes but I hate you male bastards >> >already" - Corporal Nobbs >> >> *chuckle* I loved this aspect of Jingo's plot! and somehow it seems >> appropriate for B7 discussion. Can't think why, though. >> ttfn, Nicola I loved this too! Altho I couldn't help being disappointed that the ref to a "very camp follower" on teh blurb wasn't in reference to the, ah, gentleman's club that has already been mentioned. I guess queer issues will still be dealt with obliquely, thru the Undead and the toothfairies, in the Discworld. I shouldn't complain - Susan going to Biers in "Hogswatch" captured the *feeling* of being bisexual in a dichotomized world *perfectly,* bringing tears of empathy to my eyes. I'm of the camp that believes Pterry writes true literature, not mere comic fantasy. >Because the Blake's 7 universe depicts a pretty sexist future? The men >in good jobs severely outnumber the women. The gals on the ships never >seem to question that the men are the leaders. > >One thing I like about Servalan is she's managed to make it as a woman >in a male-dominated culture. On the other hand, her uses of power >::shiver::. Servalan reminds me so much of the Marquise in Les Liaisons Dangereuse. Faced with the lack of power of most wimmin, she over-compensated and was utterly cruel and ruthless. Servalan and the Marquise are alike in other ways, too - beautiful, refined, lusty and brilliant. - sticking forks into her hand under the table, Lindley. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:58:36 +1030 From: "Lindley" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Groupie names Message-ID: <01bd458b$49393ae0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Helen Krummenaker]: >More "club names" ideas came to mind today. > >For Soolin: "Soolin's Lovably Unique Team" S.L.U.T. (my husband's idea, >actually) Yes! At last I can say it - I am a proud SLUT! -- yours in sluttiness, Lindley. Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:34:09 +1030 From: "Lindley" To: "B7-list" Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna) Message-ID: <01bd4590$40696ca0$LocalHost@waltersmith> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Nicola]: >And every time someone (male) referred to a (patently adult!) woman as a >"girl", I cringe. Even Dayna's "the girl who killed Bayban" grates, and >she's talking about herself. Never mind, dear. I agree it''s infantalising and sexist, but just ignore the negative connotations and reclaim it. Listening to Wannabe several times running helps. Now, everybody together, one, two three: GIRL POWER!!!!!! >Are all the Mutoids women? At least most. 'Tis interesting, that, to say the least. >But to make it to the top, against all the usual obstacles _and_ being a >woman, would take a particularly ruthless person. I was just telling the >spinlist about our woman PM - she's regarded as being rather tough and >unfeminine, perhaps due to the personality characteristics that got her to >the top in the first place. I guess Thatcher may be regarded in the same >way, yesno? >Anyway, yes, Servalan's made it to a position of power, yes, she ruthlessly >uses anything she can to maintain and advance her position. I think there >may be a connection. :) Of course, Servalan managed to retain her femininity, which is both difficult and admirable. Female achievement is allowed to a certain degree, as long as you're ready to become a token male - and then, of course, you get ridiculed for being masculine. It's a no-win situation, especially if you have brains and ambition but are also a girly girl - or if you're a warm person, but also a tomboy. Pratchett has a few words to say on that, as well - check out "Feet of Clay": " 'Look, there's planty of women around here that'd love to do it the dwarf way. I mean, what are the choice's they've got? Barmaid, seamstress,* or someone's wife. While *you* can do anything the men do...' 'Provided we only do what the men do,' said Cheery. Angua paused. "Oh,' she said. 'I *see.* Hah. Yes, I know *that* tune.' " * Pterry fen know, of course, that seamstresses don't necessarily know how to sew. My favourite [serious] Pterry quote is also from FOC. Somehow it, too, reminds me very strongly of B7: "Anyway, Angua seemed to have taken this case personally. She always had a soft spot for the underdog. So did Vimes. You had to. Not because they were pure or noble, because they weren't. You had to be on the side of the underdogs because they weren't overdogs." -- thoughtfully, the feminine feminist, Lindley. Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au "The girl has beauty, virtue, wit, Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:32:57 +1300 From: "Lucas Young" To: Subject: [B7L] New Zealanders Message-ID: <001901bd45cf$0785d4c0$603ee50a@lucas> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BD463B.E9F7FC40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BD463B.E9F7FC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I'm another Kiwi, from Taranaki. I've been lurking on this group for = ages... I LOVED B7, Sapphire and Steel, Doctor Who as a child... Loved the = drama, nevr thought about the wobbly sets and endless chalk quarries, LOVED the Liberator - I'm actually a 3D animator and have been looking = for any decent 3D models of the Liberator, the most innovative ship = design ever, with the Enterprise a close second.. and PAul Darrow, the = ACTING!! The final ep wrecked me. How could they DIE? and Avon SHOT Blake?? = Aaargh etc etc you knowthe drill. Anyway, hi, and I'll probably post again if I don't get flamed off the = list for some political discrepancy... hehe Lucas Young http://www.digitalus.co.nz/ ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BD463B.E9F7FC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi!
I'm another Kiwi, from Taranaki. = I've been=20 lurking on this group for ages...
I LOVED B7, Sapphire and Steel, = Doctor Who as a=20 child... Loved the drama, nevr thought about the wobbly sets and endless = chalk=20 quarries,
LOVED the Liberator - I'm actually a = 3D animator=20 and have been looking for any decent 3D models of the Liberator, the = most=20 innovative ship design ever, with the Enterprise a close second.. and = PAul=20 Darrow, the ACTING!!
The final ep wrecked me. How could = they DIE? and=20 Avon SHOT Blake?? Aaargh
etc etc you knowthe = drill.
Anyway, hi, and I'll probably post = again if I=20 don't get flamed off the list for some political discrepancy...=20 hehe
 
Lucas Young
http://www.digitalus.co.nz/
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BD463B.E9F7FC40-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:53:40 EST From: AChevron To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Visions Message-ID: <7b6895a4.34fa9dc6@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-02 02:33:36 EST, you write: << Gareth Thomas and Sheelagh Wells are confirmed guests at Visions. The date is 27-29 November '98 and it is at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare in Chicago. >> Drats! Just when I thought I'd save some money around Christmas time! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:02:22 EST From: AChevron To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] New Zealanders Message-ID: <1d2fb736.34fa9fd1@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-02 06:21:44 EST, you write: << Anyway, hi, and I'll probably post again if I don't get flamed off the list for some political discrepancy... hehe >> Flamed? Here? Wrong list. Intellegent, witty responces, which may require you to re-consider your position before rejecting the counter-arguements, but no flaming. Not all that expericanced with lists, but what experiance I do have shows the B7 crowd to have unusually good taste, manners, and decorum(mostly:) ). Welcome in, and look forward to your future posts! D. Rose -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #70 *************************************