From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #92 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/92 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 92 Today's Topics: [B7L] Re: Avon club news [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 RE: [B7L]: Time Line [B7L] All Gone? Re: [B7L] All Gone? RE: [B7L]: Time Line RE: [B7L] All Gone? Re: [B7L] All Gone? RE: [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L] All Gone? Re: [B7L] All Gone? [B7L] a loud and empty room Re: [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L] All Gone? Re: [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L]: Time Line [B7L] UK Gold April Re: [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Re: [B7L] All Gone? Re: [B7L] All Gone? [B7L] Gone For A Week Re: [B7L] a loud and empty room Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 Re: [B7L]: Time Line ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:14:21 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon club news Message-ID: <199803262214_MC2-3814-3D71@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Avon club alleged: >PAUL WILL BE INTERVIEWED BY NED SHERRIN >ON HIS RADIO PROGRAMME 'LOOSE ENDS' - >SATURDAY 28TH MARCH - RADIO 4 - 7.00 AM!! Loose Ends is broadcast at 10 a.m. on Saturdays. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:32:11 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Message-ID: <19980326.192616.14751.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> >>>> Soup of Cally, Leg of Tarrant, Avon's little toasties, Even though the smell of them is something quite atrocious, They may think that they can cook, but you'll get hallitosis, Supercallifragilisticexpialadocious! Judith >>>> Judith, my dear, you may have finally gone over the edge. I thought Avon had BIG toasties. Peace, Penny Biology grows on you _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:32:11 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Message-ID: <19980326.192616.14751.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Helen Wrote: Blake _likes_ Avon. He is often annoyed by him, often tired of having to argue with him constantly, and having his authority undermined-- (seems familiar; oh yeah, my frequent conflicts with authority figures unless I learn to trust them)-- but he likes him. Because he respects him. Actually, I can't imgaine seeing someone the way you say you see Avon (respect, recognizing strong points, trusting) and not liking them as part of the package. >>>> Yeah, and I liked my friend Allen in bits and pieces, too. I think Avon is very bright, industrious, clever and even funny at times. I also think he says many cruel things to hurt others feelings, he's arrogant, selfish, and can't waste the time of day on you if you are "less" than he is. Sorry, you may like him, love him, lust after him but to me he is just a poor aching soul who pushes people away with his sharp tongue and attitude because he is afraid to be loved and feel love for others. If he is distanced from them then he can emotionally survive and stay in the group. I can feel pity for him, (I am empathic, after all :), but I don't have to accept the way he acts. I don't like the way he acts sometimes. In fact, I have yelled, "JERK," at the tv more than once. I don't loath him, like I do Bester in B5. Now I really HATE him. Nothing like a good villian to hate, and Walter Koneig is perfect for that roll. Just my opinion. The other characters have some flaws as well. All characters must have both strengths and weaknesses to be real. After all, literature reflects humanity. Peace, Penny Biology grows on you _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:13:27 +1200 From: "Graham, Gregory" To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: RE: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB7816839@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> Content-Type: text/plain Perhaps the problem with this debate is Einstein's wonderful time-distortion. Perhaps the time experienced onboard liberator and london is only a few hours but the time taken is actually several months. Rather depends on how the FTL drives work in B7. Also could some one explain to me the differance between Standard by xx and Time Distort. in particular... "Though the programme guide says that STD by 1equals TD4.... So on Tony Attwoods scale that means that STD by 12 is TD15. BUT.....in Hostage we here that the Liberator when it escapes is doing TD20. Which would be Stadard by 17" Surely STD*12=TD4*12=TD48, and TD15=STD*3.25. That would would make the Liberator normal speed (STD*6 I think) TD24 > =============================================== > The opinions of this person have little to do with reality let alone > ==================AgResearch==================== > EvangeList, http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judith Proctor [SMTP:Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 1998 9:14 PM > To: Lysator List > Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line > > On Wed 25 Mar, Ian Lay wrote: > > The reason why Liberator took just about the same time to reach > Cygnus Alpha > > as the London is I think they were travelling at similar speeds. > Blake > > tells Zen to get to Cygnus Alpha at Standard Speed when Zen asks for > a > > speed. Now as Standard speed is equivalent to time distort 4, it > could be > > possible that the London is also going Time distort 4. > > > > Now they could have gone faster, but they did want to "follow" the > London, > > and lets be honest they didn't arrive long after the London arrived. > > The basic problem with the 2nd and 3rd episode is that they cannot be > cleanly > reconciled. > > When watching 'Cygnus Alpha', it is evident that Liberator reached the > planet > only a few hours at most after leaving the London. They are still > exploring the > ship. Jenna discovers the clothes room and the treasury while Blake > is down on > the planet. > > Also, it is in this episode that Leylan orders suppressent gas to be > used on > London and he sends his report of what happened in the prisoners' > revolt. In > other wordss, London arrives at CA a day after the revolt at the most. > > In short, the 4 month/8 month time references have to be ignored as > one of them > is totally wrong. My only way of managing it is to assume that 8 > months > referred to te round trip to CA and back to Earth, although this does > not sit > well with the context in which it is used. > > Judith > -- > http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 > > Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention > 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent > http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:14:54 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] All Gone? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello? [echo] Ello? Helllllooooo? [echo] Lllloooo? Is anybody still here? [echo] Ere? I wish I was at the convention.. [echo] Vention. Tell me all about it when you get back. [echo] Ack. Best wishes and have a lot of FUN without me! [echo] Me. ***PITIFUL SOBBING**** [echo]***OBBING*** Okay, okay, so I was just trying to be creative and to liven this place up a little. Was that wrong? Dumb approach, I know, when there is absolutely nobody here and there is no hope that anyone will even get this message anyway. --Grace "Kerr Avon Is Phat!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:42:26 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] All Gone? Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327144226.006ae8a8@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 22:14 26/03/98 -0600, G.Robbins wrote: > >Okay, okay, so I was just trying to be creative and to liven this place up >a little. Was that wrong? Dumb approach, I know, when there is >absolutely nobody here and there is no hope that anyone will even get this >message anyway. > ...And even if they did, no-one'd reply to it anyway... oh, that's right, I did... -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:44:04 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L]: Time Line Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327144404.006b4b70@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 16:13 27/03/98 +1200, Gregory Graham wrote: > >Surely STD*12=TD4*12=TD48, and TD15=STD*3.25. That would would make the >Liberator normal speed (STD*6 I think) TD24 > Doesn't it seem a little perverse that the Liberator's normal speed is "standard by 6" and not just "standard"? Maybe Blake was just a leadfoot. -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:50:27 +1200 From: "Graham, Gregory" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] All Gone? Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB781683C@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Billingsley [SMTP:whb@bha.oz.au] > Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 4:42 PM > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] All Gone? > > At 22:14 26/03/98 -0600, G.Robbins wrote: > > > > >Okay, okay, so I was just trying to be creative and to liven this > place up > >a little. Was that wrong? Dumb approach, I know, when there is > >absolutely nobody here and there is no hope that anyone will even get > this > >message anyway. > > > > ...And even if they did, no-one'd reply to it anyway... oh, that's > right, I > did... > ...And it certainly couldn't start a new thread of interesting and imaginative B7-oriented conversation... > ==================================================== The thing about Master Plans is that they always have a Fatal Flaw > ==================================================== > EvangeList, http://www.evangelist.macaddict.com/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > The Loch Mess Monster > (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Mar 1998 05:57:34 +0100 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] All Gone? Message-ID: "G. Robbins" writes: > there is absolutely nobody here I'm here -- for another hour and a half ;-) -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:58:08 +1200 From: "Graham, Gregory" To: "'B7'" Subject: RE: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB781683D@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Billingsley [SMTP:whb@bha.oz.au] > Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 4:44 PM > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > Subject: RE: [B7L]: Time Line > > At 16:13 27/03/98 +1200, Gregory Graham wrote: > > > > >Surely STD*12=TD4*12=TD48, and TD15=STD*3.25. That would would make > the > >Liberator normal speed (STD*6 I think) TD24 > > > > Doesn't it seem a little perverse that the Liberator's normal speed is > "standard by 6" and not just "standard"? > Maybe Blake was just a leadfoot. > Yeah but notice that in Hostage they apparently escape by going slower than normal(TD20). Maybe Blake was a Gungho Madman(TM). Perhaps I should have said usual or common speed. > -------------------------------------------------------- > The Loch Mess Monster > (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:23:11 +1100 (EST) From: Lisa Darby To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] All Gone? Message-Id: <199803270523.QAA04655@anugpo.anu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:57 AM 27/03/98 +0100, you wrote: >"G. Robbins" writes: > >> there is absolutely nobody here > >I'm here -- for another hour and a half ;-) >-- > Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se > http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ > >That's right, rub it in. If I knew how to draw an emoticon with tears, this page would be covered in them. I want to go to the con too.Waaaaah! The question is what can we deprived folk left behind do to make the con goers jealous? We all know that Paul Darrow isn't going to the con, I wonder how they'd feel if he just happened to drop in and visit the con-less few. We leave it up to them to work out whether he did actually visit or not. Lisa Lisa Darby Librarian North Australia Research Unit PO Box 41321 Casuarina NT 0811 Australia lisa.darby@anu.edu.au Ph : +61 8 89220031 Fax : +61 8 89220055 http://online.anu.edu.au/naru/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:30:17 +1200 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] All Gone? Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >"G. Robbins" writes: > >> there is absolutely nobody here Calle: >I'm here -- for another hour and a half ;-) Calle, you probably won't see this before you go, but :-P anyway. ;) I wanna go to a co-o-o-o-o-n! Sorry folks, it's 5:30 on a Friday afternoon and my inner child is getting rambunctious. Time to take her home. We're both looking forward to all those witty and amusing con reports that will no doubt be flooding the list next week. ;-) ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:34:47 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] a loud and empty room Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327153447.006a8d18@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To all of you who aren't here and aren't reading this I would just like to say that I am not going to go green with envy QUIETLY!!! (you lucky lucky b......s having a con near enough to get to!!!!!!!) - ---------------------------- Bill Billingsley whb@bha.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:58:54 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Bill Billingsley CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <351B401E.5CCF@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Billingsley wrote: > > At 16:13 27/03/98 +1200, Gregory Graham wrote: > > > > >Surely STD*12=TD4*12=TD48, and TD15=STD*3.25. That would would make the > >Liberator normal speed (STD*6 I think) TD24 > > > > Doesn't it seem a little perverse that the Liberator's normal speed is > "standard by 6" and not just "standard"? > Maybe Blake was just a leadfoot. Most likely "the System", the creators of the Liberator, once had ships that didn't go as fast, and went Standard speed normally. As their ship designs improved, instead of boosting the spped rated Stardard, the scale remained the same, and the ships went Standard by 2, Standard by 3, etc. Or maybe Standard is used for intra-system flights, but if you want to go longer distances, you need to upgrade the speed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:01:11 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: Lisa Darby CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] All Gone? Message-ID: <351B40A8.7486@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Darby wrote: > > At 05:57 AM 27/03/98 +0100, you wrote: > >"G. Robbins" writes: > > > >> there is absolutely nobody here > > > >I'm here -- for another hour and a half ;-) > >-- > > Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se > > http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ > > > >That's right, rub it in. If I knew how to draw an emoticon with tears, this > page would be covered in them. I want to go to the con too.Waaaaah! The > question is what can we deprived folk left behind do to make the con goers > jealous? We all know that Paul Darrow isn't going to the con, I wonder how > they'd feel if he just happened to drop in and visit the con-less few. We > leave it up to them to work out whether he did actually visit or not. > > Lisa > Lisa Darby > Librarian > North Australia Research Unit I think they'd figure out he wouldn't be in California and Australia, and umm... wherever everyone else is right now, all in the same weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:44:53 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <351B3CD5.45E@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Borg, Peter: IEG wrote: re > > Ian said: > > If I remember rightly it was Negative Hyperspace. and what, pray tell, is that, exactly? > > And Blake said something about crossing the Anti-matter Interface... please define this for me, too. In lay terms, of course. But an excellent point: never again did anyone push that BIG RED BUTTON. Perhaps Avon, weary with winding up in the wings of the Milky way, deliberately disabled it, after the third time Vila drunkenly stumbled over and *fell* on it during his night watch. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:08:52 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <351B4274.3AF4@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham, Gregory wrote: > > Perhaps the problem with this debate is Einstein's wonderful > time-distortion. Perhaps the time experienced onboard liberator and > london is only a few hours but the time taken is actually several > months. Rather depends on how the FTL drives work in B7. > well, duh! Yes, it makes perfect sense that, having just come from earth, the people are talking in "earth time" And six months will have passed back on earth. *Every* space show conveniently ignores the Theory of Relativity. Cuz no one could ever go back to visit Earth, cuz it would be thousands of years in the future. Orson Scott Card dealt with this fact splendidly in his "Ender" trilogy. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:28:21 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327162821.006a134c@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 22:08 26/03/98 -0800, pussnboots wrote: >Graham, Gregory wrote: >> >> Perhaps the problem with this debate is Einstein's wonderful >> time-distortion. Perhaps the time experienced onboard liberator and >> london is only a few hours but the time taken is actually several >> months. Rather depends on how the FTL drives work in B7. >> >well, duh! >Yes, it makes perfect sense that, having just come from earth, the >people are talking in "earth time" And six months will have passed back >on earth. > >*Every* space show conveniently ignores the Theory of Relativity. Cuz no >one could ever go back to visit Earth, cuz it would be thousands of >years in the future. Orson Scott Card dealt with this fact splendidly in >his "Ender" trilogy. > Sorry... Raker says "eight months ship's time" in Spacefall. -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:43:35 +1100 (EST) From: Lisa Darby To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-Id: <199803270643.RAA01638@anugpo.anu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:28 PM 27/03/98 +1000, Bill B. wrote: >At 22:08 26/03/98 -0800, pussnboots wrote: >>Graham, Gregory wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps the problem with this debate is Einstein's wonderful >>> time-distortion. Perhaps the time experienced onboard liberator and >>> london is only a few hours but the time taken is actually several >>> months. Rather depends on how the FTL drives work in B7. >>> >>well, duh! >>Yes, it makes perfect sense that, having just come from earth, the >>people are talking in "earth time" And six months will have passed back >>on earth. >> >>*Every* space show conveniently ignores the Theory of Relativity. Cuz no >>one could ever go back to visit Earth, cuz it would be thousands of >>years in the future. Orson Scott Card dealt with this fact splendidly in >>his "Ender" trilogy. >> > >Sorry... Raker says "eight months ship's time" in Spacefall. > Maybe they used an arbitrary artificial measurement system whilst in flight eg. 1 month "ship's time" = 4 weeks Earth time or something like that. As they would no longer be tied to the diurnal/nocturnal rhythms of a planet they would need some sort of artificial means of denoting when it is day or night etc etc. That could explain some discrepancies as 8 months ship's time would be less than 8 calendar months, don't you think? Lisa Lisa Darby Librarian North Australia Research Unit PO Box 41321 Casuarina NT 0811 Australia lisa.darby@anu.edu.au Ph : +61 8 89220031 Fax : +61 8 89220055 http://online.anu.edu.au/naru/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:25:53 GMT From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] UK Gold April Message-Id: <398361896MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> According to Cult Times, here are the Blake's 7 episodes being shown in April on UK Gold. They are all at 10.10am: Sunday 5 April: D5 Animals (starring Og, yippee) Sunday 12 April: D6 Headhunter Sunday 19 April: D7 Assassin Sunday 26 April: No B7 episode, but they have got the Dr Who omnibus of the Two Doctors with Jacqueline Pearce playing Chessene. Cult Times also has an interview with Jacqueline about the role in which she says: "It was really Servalan in another frock as far as the performance went." Eeeeek! I leave for Deliverance in less than an hour. cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "The workers united will never be ignited" Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:15:05 -0000 From: "Ian Lay" To: , Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <01bd5960$d4a41ee0$f2dadec2@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat wrote: >Borg, Peter: IEG wrote: re >> > Ian said: >> > If I remember rightly it was Negative Hyperspace. >and what, pray tell, is that, exactly? I don't know, I just work here !! :-) > >> > And Blake said something about crossing the Anti-matter Interface... >please define this for me, too. In lay terms, of course. In lay terms eh? Well in my terms... get drunk, eat lots and have fun. > >But an excellent point: never again did anyone push that BIG RED BUTTON. NEVER EVER PUSH THE RED BUTTON!!!! Reminds me of that cartoon with Daffy Duck and Porky Pig and the amazing automated home. > >Perhaps Avon, weary with winding up in the wings of the Milky way, >deliberately disabled it, after the third time Vila drunkenly stumbled >over and *fell* on it during his night watch. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------- Ian "I wonder who's going to be most drunk at the bash" Lay /// :-) \\\ Watford Internet Football Club ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:11:54 -0000 From: "Ian Lay" To: "Graham, Gregory" , "'B7'" Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <01bd5960$62aed780$f2dadec2@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham wrote: >Yeah but notice that in Hostage they apparently escape by going slower >than normal(TD20). Maybe Blake was a Gungho Madman(TM). Perhaps I >should have said usual or common speed. This episode IMHO is a mistake. They wanted to demonstrate how much faster Liberator was. THere probably wasn't any direct correlation established at the time. If Liberator could do TD20 (twice the Pursuit ships) at what was not their top speed. How could the pursuit ships catch Liberator in the first place. Blake pushed the ship to STD 10, and then the enemy command wanted the computer to compute Liberator's position in 3 minutes I think. then Blake pushed Liberator to STD 12. The pursuit ships would have been out of position as Liberator would have arrived early at the said co-oridinates and therefore flown through the trap before they could fire. ------------------------------------------------------------- Ian "I wonder who's going to be most drunk at the bash" Lay /// :-) \\\ Watford Internet Football Club ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:04:35 -0000 From: "Ian Lay" To: "Graham, Gregory" , Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <01bd595f$5cf0ebe0$f2dadec2@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham wrote: > >Perhaps the problem with this debate is Einstein's wonderful >time-distortion. Perhaps the time experienced onboard liberator and >london is only a few hours but the time taken is actually several >months. Rather depends on how the FTL drives work in B7. The only problem with that is why have all the facilities on board for a trip of a few hours. Besides Blake comments that Avon has had months to think about faking the running log with the crew. So months do pass on the London. The question is how many months? > >Also could some one explain to me the differance between Standard by xx >and Time Distort. >in particular... > >"Though the programme guide says that STD by 1equals TD4.... >So on Tony Attwoods scale that means that STD by 12 is TD15. BUT.....in >Hostage we here that the Liberator when it escapes is doing TD20. Which >would be Stadard by 17" > >Surely STD*12=TD4*12=TD48, and TD15=STD*3.25. That would would make the >Liberator normal speed (STD*6 I think) TD24 Nice theory but according to the programme guide, incorrect. Here is the correlation as I best remember it: STD1 = TD4 STD2 = TD5 STD3 = TD6 STD4 = TD7 And so on until.... STD12 = TD15 1TD is equivalent to about 1000 times light speed. If what you say is true, Liberator could outrun pursuit ships far easier than they ever did. The best the Federation ships could go were TD10. Now where as TD15 gives the Liberator a useful advantage, TD48 gives them a ridiculus advantage. It would be the equivilent of a car driving away from a person running after them on foot. ------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Lay /// :-) \\\ Watford Internet Football Club ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:48:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Rob Clother To: B7 mailing list Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Just my opinion. The other characters have some flaws as well. All > characters must have both strengths and weaknesses to be real. After > all, literature reflects humanity. Not only that: strengths are weaknesses and weaknesses are strengths -- depending on what situation you're in. Avon's stubborn arrogance saved the crew in Sarcophagus, and destroyed the Liberator in Terminal. Speaking of which, am I the only B7 fan who found Zen's death more distressing than Cally's? Rob PS To everyone who's going to Deliverance -- see you there on Sunday, if I can get my code working in time. :-{ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:03:31 -0600 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Message-Id: <199803271301.HAA29050@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rob Clother wrote: >Speaking of which, am I the only B7 fan who found Zen's death more >distressing than Cally's? I would find just about anyone's death more distressing than Cally's. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:06:06 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: B7 mailing list Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Message-ID: <351BC05F.2C7F@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Clother wrote: > > > Just my opinion. The other characters have some flaws as well. All > > characters must have both strengths and weaknesses to be real. After > > all, literature reflects humanity. > > Not only that: strengths are weaknesses and weaknesses are strengths -- > depending on what situation you're in. Avon's stubborn arrogance saved > the crew in Sarcophagus, and destroyed the Liberator in Terminal. > > Speaking of which, am I the only B7 fan who found Zen's death more > distressing than Cally's? > > Rob No... But then, Zen got a good, touching farewell scene. Cally got one off-camera wail. I _liked_ Cally a great deal (hmmm... Cally's Really Awesome pSychic Sidekicks? C.R.A.S.S.-- join today!) But Zen had those rare but marvelously good scenes from time to time, just enough that we thought of him as a real character, benevolent, watching over the crew. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:23:17 -0800 From: Jay To: B7 mailing list Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327082317.006f82d0@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:06 AM 3/27/98 -0800, Helen Krummenacker wrote: >Rob Clother wrote: >> >> Speaking of which, am I the only B7 fan who found Zen's death more >> distressing than Cally's? >> >No... But then, Zen got a good, touching farewell scene. Cally got one >off-camera wail. I _liked_ Cally a great deal (hmmm... Cally's Really >Awesome pSychic Sidekicks? C.R.A.S.S.-- join today!) But Zen had those >rare but marvelously good scenes from time to time, just enough that we >thought of him as a real character, benevolent, watching over the crew. > Helen, I think you should have used the P instead of S . Just kidding, I liked Cally alot too. Anyway sign me up. Jay 100% Avon and a CRASS bad-ASS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:26:50 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: Helen Krummenacker cc: Lisa Darby , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] All Gone? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Helen Krummenacker wrote: > Lisa Darby wrote: > > > > At 05:57 AM 27/03/98 +0100, you wrote: > > >"G. Robbins" writes: > > > > > >> there is absolutely nobody here > > > > > >I'm here -- for another hour and a half ;-) > > >-- > > > Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se > > > http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ > > > > > >That's right, rub it in. If I knew how to draw an emoticon with tears, this > > page would be covered in them. I want to go to the con too.Waaaaah! The > > question is what can we deprived folk left behind do to make the con goers > > jealous? We all know that Paul Darrow isn't going to the con, I wonder how > > they'd feel if he just happened to drop in and visit the con-less few. We > > leave it up to them to work out whether he did actually visit or not. > > > > Lisa > > Lisa Darby > > Librarian > > North Australia Research Unit > I think they'd figure out he wouldn't be in California and Australia, > and umm... wherever everyone else is right now, all in the same weekend. > > Yes, but we know he is here in spirit....in our hearts, and that is all that matters! --Grace "Kerr Avon Is Phat!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:32:28 -0800 From: Jay To: "G. Robbins" , blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] All Gone? Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980327083228.006f8560@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:14 PM 3/26/98 -0600, G. Robbins wrote: > >Okay, okay, so I was just trying to be creative and to liven this place up >a little. Was that wrong? Dumb approach, I know, when there is >absolutely nobody here and there is no hope that anyone will even get this >message anyway. > >--Grace >"Kerr Avon Is Phat!" > Unfortunately I got this message, which means only one thing. I'm still stuck in California. I wanna go to a con too!!! Jay (starts doing a pretty mean impression of her 4 year old when he doesn't get his way) 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:13 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se cc: space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] Gone For A Week Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm going to be gone for a week, and I won't be unsubbing from either list because I don't want to miss any of the exiting con reports or any cool stuff anybody posts. I'm looking forward to all the wonderful messages I'm going to have to plod through next weekend. Bye and love you lots! --Grace "Kerr Avon Is Phat!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:53:06 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: Bill Billingsley cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] a loud and empty room Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Bill Billingsley wrote: > > To all of you > > who aren't here > > and > > aren't reading this > > I > > would just like to > > say > > that > > I am not > > going > > to > > go green with envy > > QUIETLY!!! > > (you lucky lucky b......s having a con near enough to get to!!!!!!!) > > ------------------------------ > Bill Billingsley > whb@bha.oz.au > > My comments exactly! Thank you for that! (Had to have one last word before I left for home) --Grace ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #91 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Lisa Williams answered Rob's query: > >Speaking of which, am I the only B7 fan who found Zen's death more > >distressing than Cally's? > > I would find just about anyone's death more distressing than Cally's. Go, Lisa! 8-) And I loved (and totally agreed with) your comments on "Gambit," too but didn't have time to say so when you posted them. Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:19:36 -0700 From: "Joseph Brothers" To: "Helen Krummenacker" , Cc: , Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 Message-Id: <199803272025.MAA23198@m8.sprynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finally, something to do with Blake! I should probably say that, while no newcomer to B7, I've only recently gone on-line, and this is the first time at joining in here. So please bear with me. Maybe I should state up front that, while it is the whole complex, multi-layered, universe of B7 that has held my attention all these years, I do have a particular fondness for Blake, Avon, and Tarrant. Lately I haven't been into B7 as much as previously (one major distraction has been Highlander), but there's still something there. Amazing. Anyway, Helen's point is dead on: Blake respects Avon (and for that matter, Avon respects Blake). The proof is that they will seek each other's opinions -- whether or not they act upon them is beside the point. You do not consult with someone whom you hold in contempt. This applies just as much to the Avon-Tarrant dynamics. If there are any of the Tarrant Nostra hanging around, I had a thought about him the other day and would be interested in what you think. When Tarrant boards the Liberator, do you think there's any chance he sought it out particularly, that he meant to join up with Blake? Rebecca Ann Brothers ---------- > From: Helen Krummenacker > To: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com > Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se; blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 > Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 7:54 PM > > > It's not that I dislike Avon, like I said before, I just don't worship > > him. I am an ENTP/J, so, how could I? I could argue with him, see his > > good points and encourage him, perhaps even trust him, but, like him? > > > > I had an aquaintance once who was much like Avon, (a whole lot LESS > > ruthless, mind you) and I could see his strong points, even respect him, > > but still not really like him. > > > > Now, on the other hand, I am a tremendous Blake fan. He is so much like > > me that I really identify with him, albeit he has a very strong desire > > for revenge (something I reserve for skinny kids in high school who show > > up FAT at our reunions. Wicked pleasure!) > > Blake _likes_ Avon. He is often annoyed by him, often tired of having to > argue with him constantly, and having his authority undermined-- (seems > familiar; oh yeah, my frequent conflicts with authority figures unless I > learn to trust them)-- but he likes him. Because he respects him. > Actually, I can't imgaine seeing someone the way you say you see Avon > (respect, recognizing strong points, trusting) and not liking them as > part of the package. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:19:57 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker To: brotherse@sprynet.com CC: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se, blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90 Message-ID: <351C341D.2DB2@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > If there are any of the Tarrant Nostra hanging around, I had a thought > about him the other day and would be interested in what you think. When > Tarrant boards the Liberator, do you think there's any chance he sought it > out particularly, that he meant to join up with Blake? > I'm not Tarrant Nostra-- although, listening to them, I've found my views of him softening, but I will happily tell you that yes, I think he was hoping to find Blake there and maybe join. After all, he didn't try taking over from Avon to organize piracy or smuggling. More background on tall and curly would have been interesting-- why did he break from the Federation? Any rate, seemed to me he knew enough about Blake and his ship that we could assume he had a strong interest, combined with his subsequent behavior, it's not unreasonable to assume he was a idealist looking for a cause to join. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:04:49 -0500 (EST) From: adering@ziplink.net (Alex Dering) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:44 PM on 3/26/98, Pat Patera wrote: > > But an excellent point: never again did anyone push that BIG RED BUTTON. I recall a Warner Bros. cartoon where Daffy Duck "automates" Porky Pig's house. On a panel of several hundred buttons, in the lower corner, was a big red button. "Say," remarks Porky. "I wonder what the red one does." "No!" shrieks Daffy. "Not the wed one. Don't ever push the wed one!!" Hmmm. Maybe the Blake People are fans of Looney Tunes... Alex P.S. Just spotted Ian Lay's comment on the same vein, so I cannot take credit for first kill on this one. Damn! I'll have to start checking my e-mail every thirty minutes again. ---------------------------------------- The future of mankind? Remember these words - Auschwitz, Stalingrad, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Just words. Gladys Aylward, Mother Theresa, Albert Schwietzer. Just names. Somewhere between the words and the names lies the future of mankind." -- (Doctor Who - The New Adventures: "The Pit" by Neil Penswick) -- ---------------------------------------- website: http://www.ziplink.net/~adering ---------------------------------------- -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #92 *************************************