From tariqas-approval Mon Dec 12 18:16:18 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10374; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:15:19 GMT Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10352; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:15:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:15:18 +0001 (EST) From: Steve H Rose Subject: "Cyberspace Sema" To: tariqas@world.std.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalam alaikum. I think this is a great idea, myself, if noone would take offense. On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Hugh Talat Halman wrote: > > Hu! As-salaam 'alaikum wa rahmatu 'llah wa barakataHU! > > Dear Friends, > > I salute N. Tsolak, al-Hamdu li-Llah for his beautiful, > meaningful, and informative presentation on Rumi. > > I propose that we who share hearts and minds in > Cyberspace and persue a Path of Sabr-space join our energies, voices, and > visions in an URS of Cyberspace on the day of the URS ("Spiritual > Wedding") of Mevlana Jalaladdin Rumi. We might share meditations, > reflections, prayers, poems, stories of either our own or those of Rumi > and the erenler (spiritual adepts) in his path and the Way of Allah. > > Let us celebrate in a whirling world of wonder with each other in > turns of endearment. > > Hu! Dostlar! > > H. Talat al-Zumurrudi > > From tariqas-approval Mon Dec 12 16:13:49 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21530; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 02:14:45 GMT Received: from soc6.acpub.duke.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21390; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:14:17 -0500 Received: (from sos@localhost) by soc6.acpub.duke.edu (8.6.8.1/Duke-2.0) id VAA17572; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:13:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 21:13:49 -0500 (EST) From: Omid Safi Subject: Respect to Mawlana: To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: To friends: As-Salamu Alaykum wa Rahmatu llahi wa Barakati HU I recently signed on to Tariqas, having heard about it from my friend Hugh Talat Halman (al-Zomorrodi). Imagine my excitement as I found out that the recent topic of sharing is hazrat-e Mawlana! My joy at having found this out is perhaps matched only by my hesitation to offer anything to this beautiful sohbat: hesitation because what is there to say first of all about hazrat mawlana? In the Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi, Mawlana himself says: Deegar Nakhaham Zad Nafas Een bayt meegoyad ke bas! No more shall I belabor my breath (in speech) This very line (of poetry) is saying: Enough! How ironic then, that the most noble and beautiful of encounters with the One which transcend any expression have to be expressed in the prison of words; and at the same time, I offer my humble thanks to heavens that hazrat-e Mawlana did not stop uttering his words of love and wisdom, and I am grateful that you, my friends, are also speaking: speaking not for the sake of speech itself, but speech which comes from the hearts and can do no other than touch hearts. I am also hesitant to offer anything on Hazrat-e Mawlana because so much has been said by those wiser and more profound than us, many of whom in the present company of this most interesting sohbet in cyberspace. Truly, if God is not above using a gnat as a parable, insha'allah there can be spiritual blessing from a sohbat that takes place over cyberspace.... I was recently thinking about the magnitude of Mawlana's legacy. Often one finds saints who bless a small locality with their continious presence and are designated as the "patron saints" of the location. Sometime one finds saints whose influence seems to spread across a wider domain, such as Hazrat-e Nizam al-Din Awliya of the Chishti Tariqa whose legacy is felt in many parts of the subcontinent. And yet still, one finds every now and then, those who present such opening of the gates of mercy that the flow of Rahma as it were fills their earthly location and "spills over" to many other areas. No doubt this is not the case of a saint being "greater" or "more important" as is commonly believed in comparison to other saints. Rather, it seems to me that the very will of the Providence has been responsible for channeling the mercy through the life and legacy of the saints in question. For example, Hazrat-e Mawlana's earthly origins were in the khurasan region of Persia, but his family fled to Anatolia. After Mawlana's encounter with Shams-e Tabrizi, his spiritual apptitude, as it were, was exteriorized (as Dr. Seyyed Hossein Nasr has expressed it so eloquently). At this point, Mawlana's legacy spills over to a number of lands: His earthly remains and tomb adore the spiritual topography of Anatolia and today Turkey, so that insha'allah we may all have the benefit of offering our respects in person at Konya someday. No doubt the very presence of such a treasure in the heartland of Turkey opens a way to heaven even to those who may no longer be able to read Mawlana's poetry in the original Persian. Oh, and the poetry..... Somehow it seems ironic that the poetry of mawlana, perhaps the most spiritually elevated ever expressed in Persian, was influential amongst a people that were prevented from visiting Mawlana's tomb due to the Safavid-Ottoman conflicts. No matter. Persian speaking people in Persia, what is today Afghanistan, Pakistan, and North India, in fact even into China, are still moved by the mathnawi and Divan-e Shams. In some corners it might be considered blasphemous, but we still hold: Mathnawi-ye Ma'nawi-ye Mowlawi Hast Qur'an be Zaban-e Pahlavi Lastly, it seems to me that we stand at a particularly crucial time in the history of spread of spiritual ways and practices to lands which have previously and in the past benefited from other approaches. I am speaking here of the phenomenal increase of interest in Hazrat-e Mawlana in the West in the past couple of decades. No doubt the responsibility, linguistic and spiritual, is great... One can not and must not toy with such sublime treasures. But at the same time, the opportunity of presenting Mawlana's Path of Love to those hearts that thirst for this Water of Life is no doubt another stage in the "spill over" of the spiritual legacy of Hazrat-e Mawlana. May all be intoxicated in the love of God, on the Straight Path. I have spoken too much. Peace upon all the friends, Our respects to Hazrat-e Mawlana, The Blessings and Peace of God upon His Beloved Messenger And Praise to God for He alone IS. Omid Safi From tariqas-approval Mon Dec 12 18:01:40 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08790; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 04:01:39 GMT Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08778; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:01:36 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA14564; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:01:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:01:40 -0500 From: Najat@aol.com Message-Id: <941212230140_4516519@aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: "Cyberspace Sema" Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: 1) I must concur on the cybersema, especially for those of us who may not be able to attend a live sema; let us gather here on the 17th. 2) I must also contribute my affirmation that the virus good times is a hoax and a fraud; this has been reliably reported on the network at the very high tech institution where I am somewhat gainfully employed (my day job). 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Majordomo@world.std.com From tariqas-approval Mon Dec 12 16:55:05 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20786; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:55:40 GMT Received: from shell1.best.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA20777; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 03:55:38 -0500 Received: from [204.156.129.34] (informe.vip.best.com [204.156.129.34]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA00280 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 00:55:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 00:55:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199412130855.AAA00280@shell1.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: informe@best.com (Mike MacLeod) Subject: Sheik Nazim Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Asalaam alaikum, Does anybody have any information about what Sheik Nazim or Sheik Hisham are doing, or where they are now located? Adthanksvance, Hamza From PFLAUMP@mail.firn.edu Tue Dec 13 03:24:37 1994 Received: from firnvx.firn.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22175; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:48:20 -0500 Received: with SMTP-MR; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:40:42 EST Mr-Received: by mta FIRNVX; Relayed; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:40:42 -0500 (EST) Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:24:37 EST From: "Peter E. Pflaum 904 428-9609" Subject: RE: response re: Abd al-Aziz bin Baz, Cat Stevens, et al In-Reply-To: To: "tariqas-approval@world.std.com" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:40:00 EST Importance: normal Priority: normal Ua-Content-Id: E1541ZVNOCDYDY X400-Mts-Identifier: [;24048031214991/2620079@FIRNVX] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 0 Status: RO X-Status: Religion has to do with the unseen - it is a matter of experience - All religions try to make the "masses" follow some process that may or maynot be related to the real experience of contact with the devine The map in not the country PFLAUMP@freenet.scri.fsu.edu RE: Personal responsibility: (and character) In the Brothers Karamazov, Dostoevski has the Grand Inquisitor interview Christ who has returned. He tell Jesus that ordinary people just aren't up to the challenge of making up their own minds and finding their own way to salvation. Therefore the Church at the sure loss of their own souls - is giving them the way. The Inquisitor knows he can't save souls by formulas and ritual. But this is all people understand and it would be cruel and dangerous to take it away from them. Jesus is just going to have to die again - maybe next time. Ideologies say the same thing - we know better - do this or that and all will be well. People like that. Freedom is not much fun it carries responsibilities. No one can impose freedom on another. Their is no solution from above - right - left - center - The freedom is a state of mind. I think, at the moment, it takes magic. The other text is Wallace the Death and Rebirth of the Seneca. When the current power structure doesn't work there are ghost cults and belief in magic. The way of the Sufi - is to be in the world but not of it - people need - leadership - hope - guidance - but also freedom to be stupid and wrong. The "fakir" can be different things to different people and appear to be what is not - and at the same time not have any doubts about what is real and what is "illusion". The magician know its a trick and doesn't belief in magic. This is the way to power - but it's not easy. Martin Luther King says in that I have a Dream speech - One day my little children will be judged - not by the color of their skin but the contents of their character. For those that want rights (back, gay, women, fat, etc) I say that day has come. I do not judge you by the color of your skin, who you sleep with, your sex or gender but the contents of your charter. The Rodney King (no relative) rule "Can't we just get along." The planet and our souls need attention. The moral and political system needs leaders - let's focus on the prize, folks. The current word is "Sustainable"; - In general system terms biological systems tend to exponential growth only restricted by negative feedback - (Like in Central Africa). Balance is a dynamic process of each genetic organism pushing its limits and being pushed back by environmental factors and competition. Human evolution through social technology has temporarily pushed the limits on a planetary scale. The Club of Rome report in the 1960's may not be wrong only a little off in timing. (Limits to Growth = sudden collapse of whole systems ) There are no moral problems, or political problems, or economic problems, scientific or technical problems but real problems - which come with all these considerations. For academic and technical reasons, we have divided reality up into departments. (one problem is that the liberal arts have been pushed out by specialist) The blind are feeling the elephant - with CAT scanners, satellites, remote probes, macro and micro models - but they do not understand the nature of elephants? Edward O. Wilson - Socio-biology argues that there are genetic programmed groves - like language. One major grove in the troop or clan or human group. The natural size of this group us under 80 members. Groups over a certain size become impersonal. The solution to almost everything is decentralization. A Global economy and ecology but people making decision in small groups, in neighborhoods, in regional organizations, as small as possible. This was called community action and self help projects. TRIAGE: In the late 70's the idea of triage became popular. In battle conditions those that will live and those that will die are put aside - and resources are focused on the ones in the middle - have a chance if treated. Why this is a good idea for the use of scarce resources people die but nations and problems don't. They become the walking dead - zombies. In international development there has been a stronger role for "donor committees" including the World Bank Development Fund, The regional banks (Inter-American, European etc) and the major countries involved. Associated with this committee is a NGO (Non-governmental Organization) committee. The USA has not always been a good partner because our foreign aid money is micro-managed by congress and various interest groups - and other donors have to work around our politics. In Central Africa, Haiti and other places the "family of Nations" quietly decided that the countries were "basket cases" and reduced aid. Of course, much aid was stolen. Jean Claude (Baby Doc) in Haiti is said to have spent a 50 million World Bank Loan for a Power Plant - on his wedding. Harry Truman Blvd has been under repairs since time immortal - its an iron rice-bowl for someone. The American University at Les Cayes (where I was) was just too strange to believe or explain briefly. Intervention - receivership - mandate - what ever you call it is the only answer. We do not live in and Island home - but are part of all humanity - and these problems will not go away and can not solve themselves. The General Assemble has been very shy of intervention - there are a number of members in almost as bad shape - but without the cold war a East-West agreement is hard to stop. Russia wants UN cover for intervention in areas of the USS-was that are in chaos. We want UN cover in Haiti, and international caretakers after we take over. Such a caretaking operation needs to be in place for years - Their are no easy and quick answers in a country without independent institutions - infrastructure - tradition of law and civil administration - poor - illiterate and independent. The ecological - environment conditions in Haiti and parts of Central Africa - can be the cause - The reason for intervention is not just political, or refugees, or humanitarian but to stem a ecological disaster. There are good people working today in Rwanda and Haiti - they are doing what they can - what more could be expected of them. What more do we expect of ourselves? I have suggested there are first principles and they can be applied to work toward improvements in real situations (there are no answers or solutions only some actions that do more good than harm). I would like to work on this is a non-directive group of about a dozen. Method: I create a Distribution List (DL) and papers are sent to me at FIRN. The messages are labeled GROUP or Peter. Group messages are distributed. We each keep papers in a file. New members can get a copy of the papers on file to catch up. There could be suggested reading - by anyone - but my suggestion to start is: RE: Books and materials a REVIEW: Covey, S.R. "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" Record (1991), Covey Leadership Center PO BOX 19008, Provo, UT, 84605-9925 1-800-655-6839 Audio Tapes and video tape materials Wallace, Anthony F.C "The Death and Rebirth of the Seneca," New York Vintage Books 1972 Bennett, William John "The De-valuing of America New York Summit Books 1992 Deming, W. E. (1986). Out of the Crisis. Cambridge, MA: Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "Humankind" becoming Human Handy, Charles The Age of Unreason - Harvard Business school Press 1989 Maslow, National Training Center Higher Reaches of Human Behavior and Motivation B-values Fiske, Edward B. Smart Schools, Smart Kids, Why Do Some Schools Work (Simon & Schuster, New York 1991) Frankl, Victor "Man's Search for Meaning" Reich, Robert B. The Work of Nations: preparing ourselves for the 21 st Century capitalism (New York, A.A. Knopf 1991) The Next American Frontier(New York, Times Books, 1983) Senge, P.M. The Fifth Discipline: The Art and Practice of the Learning Organization (New York, Doubleday 1990) Sergiovanni, T.J. Moral Leadership, Getting to the Heart of School Improvement (San Francisco Jossey-Bass 1992) and Moore, J.H. Schooling for Tomorrow (Boston: Allyn & Bacon) 1989 First: The small school - human - caring - flexible - ungraded - students learn at their own style and pace. Second: X, Y, and Z - X = The factory, Y = The Human Relations (personality) other-directed IBM type - PR tries to make people feel they participate and have power (but its not quite real) - Z is letting go - in class giving up teacher talk - using free groups and active learning. Students learn what they want to learn - Teachers guide and advise students (workers) more than transmit information. Students learn to learn and find and organize and use information. Teaching students not subjects. Group theory from Mankarenko's Gorki Colony. (another reading) The Road to Life - Quality : involves that Paradigm shift in the values of caring - sincerity - honest - character - principles - a Z theory principle not another management system (MBO) but a shift in power and control. Responsibility and freedom. I think it involves "body knowledge" a focus of the mind - being in the world and not of it - higher awareness - the dancer becomes the dance - the lost of self-conscience. The still quiet voice guides us without criticism. I can visualize the perfect - - Facts follow vision - Logos, pathos, ethos - the bringing together of brain knowledge (ideas in the head - many of which are illusions ) body knowledge ( feeling safe and secure enough to explore new worlds) being in touch - and spirit - that which motivates us beyond ourselves and give meaning and purpose to all activity. The global contex - Earth values? Is This OK? Anyone not want to READ this? Do not flame! ************************************************************ Peter E. Pflaum Ph.D. GLOBAL_VILLAGE_SUFI_SCHOOL 225 Robinson Road, New Smyrna Beach * IN THE WORLD - FL 32169-2176 (904) 428-9609 * BUT NOT OF THE WORLD PetePflaum@aol.com * URANUS GOD OF HEAVEN HUSBAND OF GAEA, GODDESS OF A SUSTAINABLE EARTH pflaump@mail.firn.edu Pflaump@freenet.fsu.edu ZEN IS THE ART OF GETTING YOURSELF OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY ************************************************************ Personal responsibility: (and character) In the Brothers Karamazov, Dostoevski has the Grand Inquisitor interview Christ who has returned. He tell Jesus that ordinary people just aren't up to the challenge of making up their own minds and finding their own way to salvation. Therefore the Church at the sure loss of their own souls - is giving them the way. The Inquisitor knows he can't save souls by formulas and ritual. But this is all people understand and it would be cruel and dangerous to take it away from them. Jesus is just going to have to die again - maybe next time. Ideologies say the same thing - we know better - do this or that and all will be well. People like that. Freedom is not much fun it carries responsibilities. No one can impose freedom on another. There is no solution from above - right - left - center - The freedom is a state of mind. I think, at the moment, it takes magic. The other text is Wallace the Death and Rebirth of the Seneca. When the current power structure doesn't work there are ghost cults and belief in magic. The way of the Sufi - is to be in the world but not of it - people need - leadership - hope - guidance - but also freedom to be stupid and wrong. The "fakir" can be different things to different people and appear to be what is not - and at the same time not have any doubts about what is real and what is "illusion". The magician know its a trick and doesn't belief in magic. This is the way to power - but it's not easy. Martin Luther King says in that I have a Dream speech - One day my little children will be judged - not by the color of their skin but the contents of their character. For those that want rights (back, gay, women, fat, etc) I say that day has come. I do not judg From tariqas-approval Tue Dec 13 15:53:55 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23063; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 01:56:44 GMT Received: from UTCVM.UTC.EDU by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA23048; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:56:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199412140156.AA23048@world.std.com> Received: from UTCVM.UTC.EDU by UTCVM.UTC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5419; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:56:27 EST Received: from UTCVM.UTC.EDU (NJE origin JHENRY@UTCVM) by UTCVM.UTC.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4288; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:56:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:53:55 EST From: Jim Henry in Chattanooga 615-755-4398 Subject: Re: "Cyberspace Sema" To: tariqas@world.std.com In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:15:18 +0001 (EST) from Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 12 Dec 1994 18:15:18 +0001 (EST) Steve H Rose said: > >I think this is a great idea, myself, if noone would take offense. > >On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Hugh Talat Halman wrote: >> >> I propose that we who share hearts and minds in >> Cyberspace and persue a Path of Sabr-space join our energies, voices, and >> visions in an URS of Cyberspace on the day of the URS ("Spiritual >> Wedding") of Mevlana Jalaladdin Rumi. We might share meditations, >> reflections, prayers, poems, stories of either our own or those of Rumi >> and the erenler (spiritual adepts) in his path and the Way of Allah. >> >> Let us celebrate in a whirling world of wonder with each other in >> turns of endearment. >> Is the date for this 17 December? I'm interested and have no idea what it would look like, either at my end or on the 'net. Peace of Allah be with you all. JIM Jim Henry U of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615-755-4398 From tariqas-approval Tue Dec 13 14:24:34 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08300; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 02:27:42 GMT Received: from vm.cc.LaTech.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08286; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:27:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199412140227.AA08286@world.std.com> Received: from VM.CC.LATECH.EDU by VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8844; Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:28:19 CST Received: from LATECH (NJE origin PBICKHAM@LATECH) by VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8729; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:28:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:24:34 CST From: Nura Subject: Re: "Cyberspace Sema" To: tariqas@world.std.com In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:53:55 EST from Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu Alaikum, Dear Brothers and Sisters, I think the December 17th meeting has exciting possibilities. How does this happen? Do we all connect about the same time. . .or do we just "check in" and post during that day? Perhaps an appointed window of time (maybe an hour) could be agreed upon so that we could meet in common meditation? Ta barakalla alaik, Your sister in Louisiana, Nura From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 06:11:35 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28419; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:12:01 GMT Received: from teer23.acpub.duke.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA28378; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:11:59 -0500 Received: (from hthashq1@localhost) by teer23.acpub.duke.edu (8.6.8.1/Duke-2.0) id LAA28064; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:11:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Talat Halman Subject: Rumi: Date of Mercy To: tariqas@world.std.com Cc: tariqas@world.std.com In-Reply-To: <199412140227.AA08286@world.std.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Nura wrote: > I think the December 17th meeting has exciting possibilities. How does this > happen? Do we all connect about the same time. . .or do we just "check in" > and post during that day? Perhaps an appointed window of time (maybe an hour) > could be agreed upon so that we could meet in common meditation? At least we can create a momentum of sharing Rumi and our experiences and reflections related to the love, knowledge, & understanding he conveys. Let his example of virtue be shared, posted, and contemplayted. Then, yes, if contemplation gives rise to con-temp-playing, then we can align our watches with watchfulness and create a *qibla* in time, a point of axis to access in Cyberspace. Personally I'm inclined to the Timeless. Anytime on this day and in these days leading up to it seems right. We ought to plant the seeds of love earlier so that the fruit can ripen on this date of mercy. Hu! As-salaam 'alaikum Talat From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 06:14:46 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00780; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:15:33 GMT Received: from teer23.acpub.duke.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA00732; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:15:30 -0500 Received: (from hthashq1@localhost) by teer23.acpub.duke.edu (8.6.8.1/Duke-2.0) id LAA28070; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:14:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:14:46 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Talat Halman Subject: URS of Rumi in Chapel Hill (fwd) To: Tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Tariqas friends, This is our posting for a local URS commemoration in Chapel NC. Read it for joy, inspiration, or for an excuse to travel our way. Hu! Talat ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:13:31 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Talat Halman To: Carl Ernst Cc: Stewart Tony , Kewing@acpub.duke.edu, barbara stenross , Lynn Schoenherr , james sanford , omid safi , Billy Rogers , Harry Partin , muhsin orsini , scott kugle , Vincent Cornell , Ayse Gul Karayazgan , "R.(tashi) Corless" Subject: URS of Rumi in Chapel Hill Dear Friends, The URS, or Spiritual Wedding of Mevlana Jalaladdin Rumi convenes on Saturday night December 17. Here in the Triangle we will gather on Saturday night (12/17) at 9 p.m. at Silk Road Tea House 456 W. Franklin St. to dwell in the heart of the love he proclaimed. O lovers, lovers it is time to set out from the world. I hear a drum in my soul's ear coming from the depths of the stars. Our camel driver is at work; the caravan is being readied. He asks that we forgive him for the disturbance he has caused us, He asks why we travelers are asleep. Everywhere the murmur of departure; the stars, like candles thrust at us from behind blue veils, and as if to make the invisible plain, a wondrous people have come forth. We welcome all you wondrous people to come forth on Saturday to honor the URS of Mevlana and set forth on the journey to wed ourselves to the heart and spirit of Mevlana's way, this Saturday at 9 at Silk Road. We expect to share Rumi's poetry, spiritual music, tea and refreshment, and each other's company in sohbet. (On a special note, we welcome those of you who can recite in Farsi to offer us a taste of the power and majesty of the sound, meter, and rhyme of the original reflection of the essence.) We hope you all can come, inshallah. On this path, Love is the emerald, the beautiful green that wards off dragons. Hu! In Love, Talat From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 06:46:32 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22519; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:47:09 GMT Received: from teer23.acpub.duke.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA22474; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:47:05 -0500 Received: (from hthashq1@localhost) by teer23.acpub.duke.edu (8.6.8.1/Duke-2.0) id LAA28236; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:46:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:46:32 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Talat Halman Subject: URS: Death & Marriage To: Tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Tariqas Friends, Since the URS is physically a death, and spiritually a wedding, I wanted to share these two poems of Rumi as an initiating *zawj* (coupling). The translations are those of Kabir Helminski and appear in his collection of Rumi, entitled *Love is a Stranger* (Putney, VT: Threshold Books, 1993, pp. 23, and 29). On the Deathbed Go, rest your head on a pillow, leave me alone; leave me ruined, exhausted from the journey of this night, writhing in a wave of passion till the dawn. Either stay and be forgiving, or, if you like, be cruel and leave. Flee from me, away from trouble; take the path of safety, far from this danger. We have crept into this corner of grief, turning the water wheel with a flow of tears. While a tyrant with a heart of flint slays, and no one says, "Prepare to pay the blood money." Faith in the king comes easily in lovely times, but be faithful now and endure, pale lover. No cure exists for this pain but to die, So why should I say, "Cure this pain"? In a dream last night I saw an ancient one in the garden of love, beckoning with his hand, saying, "Come here." On this path, Love is the emerald, the beautiful green that wards off dragons. Enough, I am losing myself. If you are a man of learning, read something classic, a history of the human struggle and don't settle for mediocre verse. Kulliyat-i-Shams 2039 This Marriage May these vows and this marriage be blessed. May it be sweet milk, this marriage, like wine and halvah. Msay this marriage offer fruit and shade like the date palm. May this marriage be full of laughter, our every day a day in paradise. May this marriage be a sign of compassion, a seal of happiness here and hereafter. May this marriage have a fair face and a good name, an omen as welcome as the moon in a clear blue sky. I am out of words to describe how spirit mingles in this marriage. *Kulliyat-i-Shams* 2667 "Reality is meeting." (Martin Buber) Though space is the "final frontier". Spacelessness is an unending sea. In the meeting of hearts, We explore without ceasing. Past the tree of the boundary Two seas flow unceasing. Their frontier a horizon Of distance releasing. We forgo the wine of the grapes of wrath For the taste of the dates of mercy. Hu! As-salaam 'alaikum, H. Talat Halman al-Zumurrudi From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 08:27:00 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14840; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:26:39 GMT Received: from lcvax (lcvax.lehman.cuny.edu) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14735; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:26:33 -0500 Received: from lcvax.lehman.cuny.edu by lcvax.lehman.cuny.edu (PMDF #12809) id <01HKMVP1XXYO00072W@lcvax.lehman.cuny.edu>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:27 EST Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:27 EST From: "A.E.K." Subject: Re: URS: Death & Marriage To: tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: <01HKMVP1XXYO00072W@lcvax.lehman.cuny.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"tariqas@world.std.com" Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Salaam Talat, Can you post more? (poems, that is) Salaam, Ahmet From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 10:27:01 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02848; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:27:20 GMT Received: from physics1.petnet.buffalo.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02833; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:27:19 -0500 Received: from xenakis.petnet.buffalo.edu by physics1.petnet.buffalo.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04932; Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:27:02 EST Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:27:01 EST From: hanif@petnet.buffalo.edu (Hanif Khalak) Message-Id: <9412142027.AA04932@physics1.petnet.buffalo.edu> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Forwarded mail.... Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Salaam Dastagir, I looked all over the BBL gopher site.. couldn't find this list. Where could I locate it? I don't remember sending it to BBL, and it clearly has my name on it, so I like to know where these things come from / go to. Peace, Hanif P.S. This list is an old one -- 1988 -- and can be found at gopher://wings.buffalo.edu/00/student-life/sa/muslim/ under the Islamic Texts and Resources sub-link, then under Directories From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 13:53:53 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03958; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 23:54:11 GMT Received: from teer23.acpub.duke.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA03935; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:54:08 -0500 Received: (from hthashq1@localhost) by teer23.acpub.duke.edu (8.6.8.1/Duke-2.0) id SAA29377; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:53:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Talat Halman Subject: Urs: Flight to Light To: Tariqas@world.std.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Friends of Tariqas: Returning to the theme of the Life of Light beyond the veil of death, we share more of Rumi's Insights: Our death is our wedding with eternity. What is the secret? "God is One." The sunlight splits when entering the windows of the house. This multiplicity exists in the cluster of grapes; It is not in the juice made from the grapes. For he who is living in the Light of God, The death of the carnal soul is a blessing. Regarding him, say neither bad nor good, For he is gone beyond the good and the bad. Fix your eyes on God and do not talk about what is invisible, So that he may place another look in your eyes. It is in the vision of the physical eyes That no invisible or secret thing exists. But when the eye is turned toward the Light of God What thing could remain hidden under such a Light? Although all lights emanate from the Divine Light Don't call all these lights "the Light of God"; It is the eternal light which is the Light of God, The ephemeral light is an attribute of the body and the flesh. ...Oh God who gives the grace of vision! The bird of vision is flying towards You with the wings of desire. (Mystic Odes 833) quoted in Eva de Vitray-Meyerovitch, *Rumi and Sufism* trans. Simone Fattal Sausalito, CA: The Post-Apollo Press, 1977, 1987 "NOONE" says it better: What is the *mi'raj* of the heavens? Nonexistence. The religion and creed of the lovers is non-existence. Mesnevi VI 233 Love is the Water of Life: Everything other than love for the most beautiful God is agony of the spirit, though it be sugar-eating. What is agony of the spirit? To advance toward death without seizing hold of the Water of Life. Mesnevi I 3686-87 A lifetime without Love is of no account. Love is the Water of Life-- Drink it down with heart and soul! Divan-i-Shams 11909 quoted in William C. Chittick, *The Sufi Path of Love: The Spiritual Teachings of Rumi* (Albany: SUNY Press, 1983 p. 213) May your cups run over! ( paraphrasing the words of a *prophet* who composed poetry and music: Dawud an-Nabi [a.s.], transmitter of the Zabur.) May your hearts sing! Hu Talat From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 17:16:10 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14840; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 03:16:11 GMT Received: from clark.net by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14814; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:16:09 -0500 Received: from [168.143.2.233] (sarmad_ppp.clark.net [168.143.2.233]) by clark.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA25496 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:15:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199412150315.WAA25496@clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:16:10 -0500 To: tariqas@world.std.com From: sarmad@clark.net Subject: The time of hearing Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: For the time of Mevlana (our Master) as it is in this time: We are the flute, our music is all thine; We are the mountain echoing only thee; Pieces of chess Thou marshallest in line And movest to defeat or victory; Lions emblazoned high in flags unfurled-- Thy wind invisible sweeps us through the world. From Rumi--Poet and Mystic R.A. Nicholson, translator Allen and Unwin We are as the flute, and the music in us is from thee; we are as the mountain and the echo in us is from thee. We are as pieces of chess engaged in victory and defeat: our victory and defeat is from thee, O thou whose qualities are comely! Who are we, O Thou soul of our souls, that we should remain in being beside thee? We and our existences are really non-existence; thou art the absolute Being which manifests the perishable. We all are lions, but lions on a banner: because of the wind they are rushing onward from moment to moment. Their onward rush is visible, and the wind is unseen: may that which is unseen not fail from us! Our wind whereby we are moved and our being are of thy gift; our whole existence is from thy bringing into being. from the english translation by R.A. Nicholson of the Mathnawi, Book I, 599-607, Published by rhe Gibb Memorial Trust Hu Dost Abraham Sarmad Brody From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 17:17:48 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17407; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 03:20:59 GMT Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA17340; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:20:58 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA20274; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:17:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 22:17:48 -0500 From: Najat@aol.com Message-Id: <941214221511_6329030@aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Rumi: Date of Mercy Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Since our subject is timeless, let us not constrict ourselves artifically to a particular time window, brothers and sisters. We are from many time zones, and I look forward to checking in when I am enabled to do so for sharing with you all. Najat. From tariqas-approval Wed Dec 14 22:48:48 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16554; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:49:03 GMT Received: from teer23.acpub.duke.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16546; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 03:49:02 -0500 Received: (from hthashq1@localhost) by teer23.acpub.duke.edu (8.6.8.1/Duke-2.0) id DAA00942; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 03:48:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 03:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Talat Halman Subject: Urs: Engravings To: Tariqas Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Tariqas Friends, This approaching urs brings before us Rumi's poems of death's transformation into the light of *'ashq* On His Sepulchre If wheat grows on my grave, cut it and bake it -- the bread will make you drunk; the dough and the baker himself will go mad and the oven fall to singing tavern ditties. If you make a pilgrimage to my grave you'll see my tombstone dancing by itself; don't come without a tambourine-- God's holidays should not be marred with gloom. Jaws clamped, sleeping in the grave, the mouth nibbles the beloved's opium and sweets; from every direction trumpets of war and drunkard's harps: action begets action and so forth and so on. God moulded me from the wine-lees of Love-- now death has effaced me I am Love itself; I am drunkenness, my root is the wine of love-- tell me, what comes of wine but intoxication? It will not stay an instant: my spirit flies to the tower of the love of Shamsoddin of Tabriz. translated by Peter Lamborn Wilson published in Peter Lamborn Wilson, *Sacred Drift: Essays on the Margins of Islam* San Francisco: City Lights, 1993, p. 121 This *urs* is the pilgrimage to the Turbe in time, the Mazar of meaning. Hu! Dost! Talat From tariqas-approval Thu Dec 15 10:02:00 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19450; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:04:56 GMT Received: from carmen.logica.co.uk by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19432; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 04:04:53 -0500 Received: from smtpmail.logica.com (mssmtp.logica.com) by carmen.logica.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11286; Thu, 15 Dec 94 09:05:44 GMT Received: by smtpmail.logica.com with Microsoft Mail id <2EF01524@smtpmail.logica.com>; Thu, 15 Dec 94 09:06:28 gmt From: Otersen Mathias To: 'tariqasmail' Subject: Thanks! Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 10:02:00 gmt Message-Id: <2EF01524@smtpmail.logica.com> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Asalaam alaikum, Thank you Khadim, for the suggested list of books. Till now, I only had some general information about Sufism. What I know about it, I like. So it may become a very interesting(/spiritual) experience to deepen my knowledge of Sufism. May God be with you, Matthias.W.Otersen At mao@lbvwrda.logica.com From tariqas-approval Thu Dec 15 04:55:13 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19935; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:55:23 GMT Received: from physics1.petnet.buffalo.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19910; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:55:22 -0500 Received: from xenakis.petnet.buffalo.edu by physics1.petnet.buffalo.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05754; Thu, 15 Dec 94 09:55:13 EST Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 09:55:13 EST From: hanif@petnet.buffalo.edu (Hanif Khalak) Message-Id: <9412151455.AA05754@physics1.petnet.buffalo.edu> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: AHA (fwd) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: As Salaamu `alaykum, Anyone have any experience with this group? Or projects/groups like it? I am not into Hermetic methods or magic/etc.. just curious as to how much of needed resources are being diverted into similar 'hare-brained' schemes. :-) Allahu `Alam. Pray for Bosnia and Chechenya while you are celebrating Rumi's Wedding; maybe the Shuhadaa will make intercession for you/us/him. Subhan Allah.. Direct your love for the Beloved (Habib) through those in need of compassion. Fi Ammaan Allah, Hanif ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From empowerment-approval@world.std.com Thu Dec 15 09:24:56 1994 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Pflaum Subject: AHA (fwd) To: earthtime , earthtime@pipeline.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: empowerment-approval@world.std.com Reply-To: empowerment@world.std.com Content-Length: 2128 "Peter E. Pflaum, Ph.D. Institute for Human Resources (904) 428-9609 pflaump@mail.firn.edu pflaump@freenet.scri.fsu.edu" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 11 Dec 94 23:20 +0200 From:stone@xs4all.nl To: Forum for discussing the role of intelligence in world transformation - Tikkun Olam Subject: AHA To One and ALL Mochin friends, I'd like to share with you a brief description of the Academy of Hermetic Arts AHA comes from AHA- experience, a term first introduced by Bleuer, teacher of Freud and allso Academy of Hermetic Arts. The AHA started as a workgoup on Magic I initiated at the Psychology Department of the Univ. of Amsterdam in 1986. With this little team, we managed to compare different traditional mystical systems (Magic, Kabbalah, Sufi, Alchemy, etc)and theories in the Philosophy of Science and Psychology. Eventually we came up with a quite revolutionary theory and methodology. For some years we practice in advising scientists in methodological and theoretical problems. As the University is not the most flexible system, we grow out of it soon. At the moment we shifted our activities in the form of a private research institute. Primary goal at the moment is organizing lucrative research, create funds for ever greater research projects, implementing the results directly wherever is needed with the hope to influence the "Quantum Leap" in Education and business management. The AHA has stand by associates and consultants around the World initiating or participating in projects. Associates are professionals and "Homo Universalis" at the same time. BTW. If you wish to become an associate or sponsor of the AHA, please send your request, questions, a short C.V. including your skills experience to my E-Mail adress: That's about the AHA in a nutshell. "ONE" For All, All For "ONE" Peter Rozsa Director: A.H.A. ( Academy of Hermetic Arts ) Nieuwe Hoofdhof 48, 1018 KM Amsterdam The Netherlands Phone: ..31-(0)20-6261601 E-Mail to: stone@xs4all.nl Please see URL: http://www.webscope.com/project_mind/project_mind.html ----- End Included Message ----- From tariqas-approval Thu Dec 15 13:32:52 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12248; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 23:33:15 GMT Received: from teer23.acpub.duke.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12231; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:33:10 -0500 Received: (from hthashq1@localhost) by teer23.acpub.duke.edu (8.6.8.1/Duke-2.0) id SAA03618; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:32:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:32:52 -0500 (EST) From: Hugh Talat Halman Subject: Urs-Sprache To: Tariqas Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Dear Friends of the Tariqas: I call our attention to Rumi's vision which includes all humanity while nonetheless maintaining the distinctiveness of the spiritually accomplished. As another Gabriel says, "[It's] in your eyes...": "It is said that after Muhammad and the prophets revelation does not descend upon anyone else. Why not? In fact it does, but then it is not called 'revelation.' It is what the Prophet referred to when he said, 'The believer sees with the Light of God.' When the believeer looks with God's Light, he sees all things: the first and the last, the present and the absent. For how can anything be hidden from God's Light? And if something is hidden, then it is not the Light of God. Therefore the meaning of revelation exists, even if it is not called revelation." _Fihi ma fihi_ [Discourses of Rumi] p. 128 [Persian text] p. 139 [Arberry trans.] quoted from William C. Chittick, _The Sufi Path of Love: The Spiritual Teachings of Rumi_(Albany: SUNY, 1983) p. 120 Rumi sounds the call to returning, leaving no stone, and not the essential stone, unturned: The drum of the realization of the promise is beating, we are sweeping the road to the sky. Your joy is here today, what remains for tomorrow? The armies of the day have chased the army of the night, Heaven and earth are filled with purity and light. Oh! joy for he who has escaped from this world of perfumes and color! For beyond these colors and these perfumes, these are other colors in the heart and the soul. Oh! joy for this soul and this heart who have escaped the earth of water and clay, Although this water and this clay contain the hearth of the philosophical stone. (*Mystic Odes* 473) At every instant and from every side, resounds the call of Love: We are going to sky, who wants to come with us? We have gone to heaven, we have been the friends of the angels, And now we will go back there, for there is our country. We are higher than heaven, more noble than the angels: Why not go beyond them? Our goal is the Supreme Majesty. What has the fine pearl to do with the world of dust? Why have you come down here? Take your baggage back. What is this place? Luck is with us, to us is the sacrifice!... Like the birds of the sea, men come from the ocean--the ocean of the soul. How could this bird, born from that sea, make his dwelling here? No, we are the pearls from the bosom of the sea, it is there that we dwell: Otherwise how could the wave succeed to the wave that comes from the soul? The wave named 'Am I not your Lord' has come, it has broken the vessel of the body; And when the vessel is broken, the vision comes back, and the union with with Him. quoted from Eva de Vitray-Meyerovitch, _Rumi and Sufism_ trans. Simone Fattal Sausalito, CA: Post-Apollo Press, 1977, 1987. p. 104 Catch the Wave. Hu! H. Talat al-Zumurrudi