From tariqas-approval Mon Dec 24 00:36:48 1984 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06033; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:21:04 GMT Received: from uunet!fifthd by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06021; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 17:21:03 -0500 Received: from espace.dcl.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxvsj23755; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 17:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: Received: from forthd by espace.dcl.com (MX V3.1C) with UUCP; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 14:17:34 PST Received: by forthd.dcl.com (DECUS UUCP /2.0/2.0/2.0/); Sat, 24 Dec 94 13:55:35 PST Received: from fifthd by fifthd.uucp (UUPC/extended 1.12b) with UUCP; Mon, 24 Dec 1984 00:36:56 GMT From: Super User To: tariqas@world.std.com Date: Mon, 24 Dec 1984 00:36:48 GMT+6 Subject: Christmas thoughts Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: And make mention of Mary in the scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber lokking East, and had chosen seclusion from them. Then, We sent to her Our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. She said, "So! I seewk refuge in the Most Merciful from you, if you have awe (of AllaHh)". He said, "I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son". She replied, "How can I have offspring when no mortal has touched me, neither have I been unchaste?" He said, "So it is. Thy Lord says 'It is easy for Me', and We may make of him a revelation for humankind and a Mercy from us, and this is ordained". She conceived him and withdrew with him to a far place, and the pangs of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "O, that I had died before this, and had become nothing and forgotten!" Then she heard a voice from below her saying, "Do not grieve! Thy Lord has placed a rivulet beneath thee, and shake the palm-tree trunk, you will cause ripe dates to fall upon you, so eat and drink and be consoled, and if you meet any mortal, say 'So! I have vowed a fast unto the Most Merciful, and may not speak this day to any mortal'". Qur'an XIX 16-26 I find this a beautiful counterpart to the New Testament story of the birth of the Child of Infinite Light. Something rings very true about Maryam's self-chosen seclusion, and despair about leaving her people. The repeated use of the word Rahman to refer to the attribute Jesus/Issa would bring into the world and as reference to Thy (Our) Lord gives this account a wonderfully Feminine color, as the root for Rahman and Rahim, RHM, means "womb" in Arabic. Ibn al-'Arabi in his Fusus al-Hikam offers an illuminated commentary on these verses, that had not Mary sought refuge in the Most Merciful from the apparition of "Our spirit", the character and nature of Issa/Jesus would have been quite different. Wherever this sacred season finds you, may the One bestow upon you dates of daily provision, and a stream of Divine wisdom, so you may "eat and drink and BE CONSOLED". (Muzaffer) -- Khadim Chishti khadim@forthd.dcl.com From tariqas-approval Sat Dec 24 10:57:31 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12173; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:57:50 GMT Received: from canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12166; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 17:57:49 -0500 Received: from pollux.cc.umanitoba.ca (umabdelh@pollux.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.25.12]) by canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA10780 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:57:36 -0600 Received: by pollux.cc.umanitoba.ca (4.1/25-eef) id AA23704; Sat, 24 Dec 94 16:57:31 CST Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:57:31 -0600 (CST) From: Mohsen Abdel-Hadi To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Christmas thoughts In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 24 Dec 1984, Super User wrote: > Lord has placed a rivulet beneath thee, and shake the palm-tree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > trunk, you will cause ripe dates to fall upon you, so eat and drink ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A gentleman by the name Muhammad Safi, the Imam of Manitoba Islamic association, says that based on these verses, Jesus (PBUH) must have been born around August/September since that's when dates are ripe. mohsen From tariqas-approval Sat Dec 24 10:07:08 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14610; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 02:07:47 GMT Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14597; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 21:07:45 -0500 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id SAA10093; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 18:07:08 -0800 From: deane@netcom.com (Dean Edwards) Message-Id: <199412250207.SAA10093@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: weird! To: tariqas@world.std.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2EFAD925@smtpmail.logica.com> from "Otersen Mathias" at Dec 23, 94 02:01:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 104 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Mat, Actually, according to Budge, Hu is the name for the Great Sphinx, not the word for sphinx. Dean From tariqas-approval Sat Dec 24 10:19:06 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16187; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 02:19:57 GMT Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA16176; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 21:19:56 -0500 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id SAA12008; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 18:19:07 -0800 From: deane@netcom.com (Dean Edwards) Message-Id: <199412250219.SAA12008@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Hu and the Nile To: tariqas@world.std.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 18:19:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Hugh Talat Halman" at Dec 23, 94 05:11:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 149 Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: According to Budge, Hu was the name for both the Sphinx and the god of the Nile River. This is separate from Osiris (in the case of the Nile). Dean From tariqas-approval Sun Dec 25 00:14:33 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21379; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 23:11:08 GMT Received: from uunet!fifthd by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21371; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 18:11:08 -0500 Received: from espace.dcl.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxvwe28119; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 18:10:17 -0500 Message-Id: Received: from forthd by espace.dcl.com (MX V3.1C) with UUCP; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 15:09:50 PST Received: by forthd.dcl.com (DECUS UUCP /2.0/2.0/2.0/); Sun, 25 Dec 94 14:47:48 PST Received: from fifthd by fifthd.uucp (UUPC/extended 1.12b) with UUCP; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 00:14:40 GMT From: Super User To: tariqas@world.std.com Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 00:14:33 GMT+6 Subject: ripeness of dates Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: As-salaam 'aleikum, Mohsin Abdel-Hadi and other readers, With all due respect to the Imam of the Manitoba masjid, our Lord Who can cause virgin birth (as of Issa/Jesus) can ripen dates according to a plan grander than the passing of seasons, although your point is well-taken. "Super User" wrote nothing. The passage was a direct translation of Holy Qur'an. My terminal seems to have cut off the salawat upon Mariam and Issa. Peace be upon them both, and the Mercy and Blessings of the One, and upon all the masters, saints, and prophets, women and men alike, and peace be with you. (Muzaffer) -- Khadim Chishti khadim@forthd.dcl.com From tariqas-approval Sun Dec 25 21:43:24 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13147; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 09:46:48 GMT Received: from vm.cc.LaTech.edu by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13140; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 04:46:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199412260946.AA13140@world.std.com> Received: from VM.CC.LATECH.EDU by VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4098; Mon, 26 Dec 94 03:47:11 CST Received: from LATECH (NJE origin PBICKHAM@LATECH) by VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5169; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 03:47:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 94 03:43:24 CST From: Nura Subject: Hu To: tariqas@world.std.com Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Assalamu Alaikum When I first became a muslima, I was struck with the sound of hu. To me, it sounds like the breath as we exhale. I always thought of it as the sound of Allah exhaling the breath/soul of life into creation. May the compassion and blessings of Allah be with you all, Nura From tariqas-approval Mon Dec 26 16:25:31 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07477; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 16:25:31 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 16:25:31 GMT Message-Id: <199412261625.AA07477@world.std.com> To: tariqas-approval@world.std.com From: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Subject: BOUNCE tariqas@world.std.com: Admin request Status: RO X-Status: >From NurLuna@aol.com Mon Dec 26 06:22:11 1994 Return-Path: Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA07467; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 11:25:30 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA02387; Mon, 26 Dec 1994 11:22:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 11:22:11 -0500 From: NurLuna@aol.com Message-Id: <941226112211_7361116@aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: subscribe subscribe majordomo tariqas.world.std.com From tariqas-approval Tue Dec 27 13:47:23 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08553; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:50:45 GMT Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA08539; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 18:50:44 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA06689; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 18:47:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 18:47:23 -0500 From: Abdlqadir@aol.com Message-Id: <941227184710_181901@aol.com> To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Re: Zikr and the Promised Mahdi Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Since your views seem to represent those of only one group (shi'a) or otherwise, could you clarify your position vis-a-vis tariqa? This is a polite request and not a challenge. I am sincrely interested. Thank you. From tariqas-approval Fri Dec 30 11:34:14 1994 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26537; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 22:10:58 GMT Received: from clark.net by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26513; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 17:10:57 -0500 Received: from clark.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxwok28955; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:39:14 -0500 Received: from sarmad-ppp.clark.net (sarmad-ppp.clark.net [168.143.2.233]) by clark.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA28949 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:34:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:34:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199412302134.QAA28949@clark.net> X-Sender: sarmad@clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tariqas@world.std.com From: sarmad@clark.net (James Brody) Subject: Hu X-Mailer: Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: tariqas@world.std.com Status: RO X-Status: Here follows a passage by Hazrat Inayat Khan from the chapter "Abstract Sound" in Volume II of The Sufi Message: THE MYSTICISM OF SOUND, Barrie and Jenkins, London, 1970. "This sound develops through ten different aspects because of its manifestation through ten different tubes of the body. It sounds like thunder, the roaring of the sea, the jingling of bells, running water, the buzzing of bees, the twittering of sparrows, the vina, the whistle, the sound of shanka - until it finally becomes Hu, the most sacred of all sounds. This sound Hu is the beginning and end of all sounds, be they from man, bird, beast, or thing. A minute study will prove this fact, which can be realized by listening to the sound of the steam engine or of a mill, while the echo of bells or gongs gives a typical illustration of the sound Hu. The Supreme Being has been called by various names in different languages, but the mystics have known him as Hu, the natural name, not man-made, the only name of the nameless which all nature constantly proclaims. The sound Hu is most sacred; the mystics of all ages called it Ismi-Azam, the name of the most High, for it is the origin and end of every sound as well as the background of each word. The word Hu is the spirit of all sounds and of all words, and is hidden under them all, as the spirit in the body. It does not belong to any language, but no language can help belonging to it. This alone is the true name of God, a name that no people and no religion can claim as their own. This word is not only uttered by human beings, but is repeated by animals and birds. All things and beings exclaim this name of the Lord, for every activity of life expresses distinctly or indistinctly this very sound. This is the word mentioned in the Bible as existing before the light came into being: 'In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God'." This is a short excerpt from a longer chapter which gives an account of language and its inner meanings and of the relationship of Hu to other languages and traditions.